HD DVD keys are out in public, world ends

Are these keys even useful? Is some kind of specialized HD-DVD ripping software already available where you can simply enter the key and get a big MPEG4 on your hard disk? (I don’t want the software, I’ve never even tried to copy a regular DVD, just curious…)

I am no fan of pirating, but this is plain wrong.
There’s plenty of examples of DRM preventing legitimate customers from playing media they’ve paid for… and not that many of DRM preventing anything but casual pirating (which is also important to the studios).

That DRM isn’t an issue for most, doesn’t make it o.k. to fuck over some of your paying customers.

The software isn’t even specialised - it’s just the regular AES functions.
The HD DVD decoder Java program out there shows how little is required.

Oh, and people have mentioned these keys might work on Blu-Ray, since they
both rely on the same encryption standards.

(The software to decode is several months old - we’ve just got better keys
recently, which work on multiple movies)

Sorry, who are the assholes / morons, and why? I think it’s quite justified to point up the absurdity of a law that seemingly makes it illegal to mention a particular string of 16 bytes.

Yes, you need them to play HD-DVDs. Of course legit players and player software will have these keys (which is how they are gotten in the first place). The problem is that these players will also not play back at the full resolution if your hardware system is not fully DRM’d, which for computers must include a monitor connected via HDMI. So there really are quite legitimate reasons to want the keys.

Yes, the resolution issue is really what people are up in arms about.

BUT it should be mentioned that current movies haven’t implemented the token.
It could be switched on in a few years, though.

Or you just output analog through VGA and it’s exempt from any resolution restrictions.

Are there plenty of examples of HD-DVD DRM preventing legitimate customers from playing media they’ve paid for? I’m skeptical. Yeah yeah, I understand Starforce eats babies, and Sony destroyed all the computers in the world with their root kit CDs and whatever, but specific to HD-DVD, are there seriously any problems at all?

The DRM might be annoying, but as an industry they have the right to do whatever they want. Their products, their technology, who are we to say they can or can not use DRM if they think it will generate a bigger return on their investment.

It’s nothing to get up in arms about anyway. But, using the laws of the US to make the posting of 16 bytes illegal because of how that data interacts with their product? That’s different, and I think, worthy of a least eyebrow raising if not outright arm raising.

This isn’t just about consumers and their DVDs, when you get down to it. It’s also about preventing developers of software the consumers can choose being locked out of being able to continue developing their software for new hardware. If a consumer chooses to use, say, Media Player Classic to watch DVDs, and then gets an HDDVD player, and the software can’t decode because some suit won’t let MPC use the code, doesn’t that affect the consumer as well, by preventing their right to choose?

And that’s before you even get to the argument of converting media to play on other devices you own.

So can someone give me the laymans version of how this means people can watch Spiderman 3 for free once it’s released on HD DVD?

Would people be so blase if, instead of someone releasing the HD-DVD secret key, someone instead posted PayPal’s SSL cert?

I mean, I’m all for anti-DRM, blah blah blah, but at some level I don’t really buy into the “all information should be free” dogma.

But, yeah, history has shown that you just can’t keep secret keys like this secret forever. What did people expect?

Also, Chet - how does Google handle Cease and Desist orders?

That argument can be made about any business in the world - they get to do whatever they want and the market will dictate if it is right or wrong. I don’t believe that - you might.

Rigid DRM steps over fair use and a number of other customer rights, that I believe customers should keep.
If Sony makes DRM on Casino Royale that prevents me from viewing it on my dvd-player and then tell me to get another dvd-player or just not watch Casino Royale, then I feel vindicated if I break the DRM to watch it.
And that would still be legal according to my countrys laws, but not under US law afaik.
(and I know it was only a few players and that Sony recalled the discs).

And no Wholly, I haven’t seen and specific issues with HD-DVD. But I was replaying to Chet, not in favour of posting HD-DVD codes all over the net
(even though I do think people should be allowed to make back up of their HD-DVDs as well)

The laymans version is that the millions of people (eventually) putting their HD DVDs to their HD Holo-iPods, or telling their friends that it’s possible, will be criminals. Utterly enforceable, but what better way to teach people to respect the law and copyright than by turning them all into criminals.

I guess as someone who creates content I appreciate technology intended to prevent it from being pirated and don’t appreciate the efforts of people who want crack that protection in order obtain it without paying for it.

This whole self-righteous “pointing out the absurdity” argument is bullshit. It’s one thing to beat your chest about something you don’t like, it’s quite another post the means to commit theft on the internet. It’s no different than if someone posted a foolproof way to walk out of a Best Buy with an HD-DVD in your pocket without paying for it - guess what, you’re not bravely pointing out the flaws in Best Buy’s security, you’re just a fucking thief.

I have no idea what that number means, maybe it is because I do not have an HD-DVD player.

Is that some kind of skelleton key that unlocks all HD-DVDs? Like some passcode you must punch in the first time you play any HD-DVD?

Only up to the point of passing laws to enforce their business decisions. I’m not against DRM, but I am againt the DMCA. Business’s can use DRM if they want, people can break it if they want. iTunes should be able to build in DVD ripping into iTunes, for example.

Here is a google reaction to a C&D.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=6770

So in this case, they remove the blogger post, but show the urls that caused the original post to be requested to be removed.

Chet

Shit! That’s my Swiss bank account! Dammit!

Here’s my take on this.

I think that DRM is stupid. I also think that pirating is bad.

So I think people who DRM their music or HD-DVDs or whatever so they can’t be played on other players (that’s the issue, right?) are asking for it.

I also think pirates are assholes. This content cost lots of money to create, and your stealing it affects the creators.

Regardless, I’m glad someone cracked it; now can someone please crack iTunes’ DRM so that I can go buy music from the iTunes store without feeling like a retard? Thanks.