Heroes 2007

[DrDel]

Writers: why couldn’t you have a Peter / Sylar showdown?

Whhhhhhhy?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt!!!

[barstein]

I can’t say it was a shit episode by any means, although I know what you guys are saying. I have to go with Athryn’s sentiment on this one, and allow it to go soft like this from time to time. So far they managed to finish up one season without me wanting to write it off, which (at the risk of appearing to have a bloated ego) is probably a huge win given that I hate 99.995% of what’s on TV. But yes, a few of the resolutions, while somewhat functional, were silly and disappointing.

[JM1]

I don’t know why so many people keep going WHY DIDNT PETER JUST FLY OFF BY HIMSELF HUH HUH WHY???

Peter himself says that he can’t control himself, that he can’t “do anything”. He’s trying his damn hardest not to blow the fuck up.

[Andre_Costa]

I don’t know why so many people keep going WHY DIDNT PETER JUST FLY OFF BY HIMSELF HUH HUH WHY???

Peter himself says that he can’t control himself, that he can’t “do anything”. He’s trying his damn hardest not to blow the fuck up.

Hay now, c’mon … why are you like that?! The episode is already 1 day old … it’s ok to forget things that happened so long ago. Geez!

[Coca_Cola_Zero]

I don’t know why so many people keep going WHY DIDNT PETER JUST FLY OFF BY HIMSELF HUH HUH WHY???

Peter himself says that he can’t control himself, that he can’t “do anything”. He’s trying his damn hardest not to blow the fuck up.

I agree that it makes some amount of sense that Peter wasn’t in control enough to fly out of there. My problem with that whole sequence isn’t that Peter didn’t fly out on his own, but that I don’t think they did an adequate job of explaining why he was losing control in the first place. Was it because of Sylar’s powers? If so, why didn’t he absorb them before at Mohinder’s? Was it the grouping of so many Heroes in one place? If so, why didn’t they explain it better and just what is his absorbtion range anyway since it always seemed very small previously? In general, I just think Peter’s powers are poorly defined, inconsistent and ultimately way too powerful. Hopefully he gets nerfed, maybe he’ll disappear for awhile ala the Death of Superman or whatever and come back changed.

[Coca_Cola_Zero]

Anyway, Heroes is still the best fiction on tv by a mile, so I’m not trying to shit on the show too much, but the finale was very unfulfilling for me. It almost seems like the writers got spooked over the Lost backlash and went down the checklist of things to resolve and resolved them 1 by 1, except everything was so rushed and clumsily handled that the resolutions are ultimately unsatisfying.

[Drastic]

After a brief argument with myself, I don’t really mind too much that Sylar’s probably only mostly-dead, not dead-dead. Most likely, there’ll be the usual sort of “heroes must team up with villain(s) in order to defeat an Even Greater Evil” plotline that’ll come about from it.

My major complaint is that they desperately need to jettison the portentous voiceovers. I understand that test audiences, when watching a scene-montage sans dialogue, with overbearingly “THIS IS BITTERSWEET VICTORY!” musical scoring demand to actually have a voice telling them solemnly, “this is a solemn and bittersweet victory” because otherwise they get confused, but I don’t care. Basically, fuck test audiences. Fuck them right in the ear.

[Nellie]

The sylar thing really annoyed me more so than the “oooop, no I can control the nuke thing. Oh wait, no I can’t” with Peter. The whole thing just really smacked of “Oh bugger, we’ve spent all our FX budget”.

Still loved it overall though and looking forward to its return.

[Harkonis]

I think that perhaps you guys were expecting too much out of a middling hit network TV show. You have to remember, guys, they do have a budget, and CGI effects, while cheaper than they used to be, still aren’t all that cheap.

I would have liked to have seem something a little more spectacular as well, but I really feel like they were having to resolve it based on some of their budget constraints.

A good example of comparison is the 2005 season of Doctor Who versus the present season. They had to be much more restrained, effects wise, in the first season because they didn’t have the budget … because it was a new show that they didn’t know whether it was going to be popular or not. Now that it’s a hit, they have more of a budget, and you see much better and more complicated shots in the 3rd season.

If Heroes continues to be successful, it will get more money, and you’ll see better effects eventually.

It’s not airing during the summer. It’s supposed to air during whatever gaps Heroes has next season to help prevent the dropoff in viewers that happened this year (and what killed Jericho.)

I believe HEroes:Origins is this summer, not during the other breaks.

[Athryn]

I believe HEroes:Origins is this summer, not during the other breaks.

Just how the “Origins” episodes will be scheduled along with the main “Heroes” storyline has yet to be worked out. The most likely scenario, Reilly says, will be to have “Heroes” start its second season in the fall and run more or less straight through its 24 episodes, with perhaps a short break during the holidays. “Origins” would then follow at the end of the season. Another option would be to run “Origins” “as a chunk” in the spring, before the concluding episodes of “Heroes.”

Source. A similar scenario was also referenced in the Heroes article I read in this week’s Entertainment Weekly.

[Harkonis]

I move that only things shown on primtime episodes of Heroes are canon and suggestions to “read the comics” will be met with The Hand.

You can stick to your old traditions and refuse to move forward with the rest of the world and embrace technology, but be warned that we ARE leaving you behind. The comics are part of the show, it’s interwoven as are Hana and Hiro’s blogs. The writers have designed it this way. There will be comics all summer to keep things going as well.

[Harkonis]

I agree that it makes some amount of sense that Peter wasn’t in control enough to fly out of there. My problem with that whole sequence isn’t that Peter didn’t fly out on his own, but that I don’t think they did an adequate job of explaining why he was losing control in the first place. Was it because of Sylar’s powers? If so, why didn’t he absorb them before at Mohinder’s? Was it the grouping of so many Heroes in one place? If so, why didn’t they explain it better and just what is his absorbtion range anyway since it always seemed very small previously? In general, I just think Peter’s powers are poorly defined, inconsistent and ultimately way too powerful. Hopefully he gets nerfed, maybe he’ll disappear for awhile ala the Death of Superman or whatever and come back changed.

They’ve shown several times that Peter is an emotional twat and loses control and either goes boom or just passes out when faced with intense emotions. He was panicked when he passed out in the finale, and he was furious and beating on Sylar when he went nova. For him his emotions give him his power but are also his biggest weakness.

[Stroker_Ace]

You can stick to your old traditions and refuse to move forward with the rest of the world and embrace technology, but be warned that we ARE leaving you behind. The comics are part of the show, it’s interwoven as are Hana and Hiro’s blogs. The writers have designed it this way. There will be comics all summer to keep things going as well.

look assface, an hour a week is all i’m willing to commit to a show. SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL THIS HAS BEEN SUFFICIENT.

enjoy the future though, i’m sure reading heroes comics is almost as much fun as that flash mob you attended at starbucks.

[Andre_Costa]

You do not have to read the comics to understand anything from the series. The comics are just an extra for the fans.

[mouselock]

Sylar can’t regenerate? What about the time Parkman pumped him full of lead in the FBI building and then he got back up and vanished? More trickery? NOT BUYIN’ IT!

Sylar never got hit by the bullets. He had a teke shield up, took the bullets either intentionally close to his body or unintentionally (because he was still getting used to his powers). When they let their guard down because they’d “shot him” he beat a hasty retreat.

Similarly, he doesn’t need regenerative powers or strang cockroach transferrance powers (wtf?) to make it off into the sewers. While everyone else is either awestruck staring at Peter exploding (Well, Bennet is stunned still, but everyone else is gaping like a yokel), he telikinetically staunches all that nasty blood flow inside and slithers away.

[mouselock]

Think back to the very beginning. He was on the ledge of a building, and Nathan came to talk to him (after he saved him jumping off the roof). He did not know he had powers yet, just speculated he did, and he walked towards his brother saying he felt special but did not know if he was, and Nathan pointed at him to look down, and he was hovering in mid air.

Yeah. After Nathan had flown up to save him from the earlier roof jumping that landed him in the hospital where the scene you describe took place.

Also as for Sprague, remember at the time frame Peter met Spraque, he was spraying out radiation left and right, literally killing people who spent any decent amount of time near him. Not sure why that wouldn’t be actively “using” his powers.

[mouselock]

Think back to the very beginning. He was on the ledge of a building, and Nathan came to talk to him (after he saved him jumping off the roof). He did not know he had powers yet, just speculated he did, and he walked towards his brother saying he felt special but did not know if he was, and Nathan pointed at him to look down, and he was hovering in mid air.

Yeah. After Nathan had flown up to save him from the earlier roof jumping that landed him in the hospital where the scene you describe took place.

Also as for Sprague, remember at the time frame Peter met Spraque, he was spraying out radiation left and right, literally killing people who spent any decent amount of time near him. Not sure why that wouldn’t be actively “using” his powers.

[Houngan]

Yeah. After Nathan had flown up to save him from the earlier roof jumping that landed him in the hospital where the scene you describe took place.

Also as for Sprague, remember at the time frame Peter met Spraque, he was spraying out radiation left and right, literally killing people who spent any decent amount of time near him. Not sure why that wouldn’t be actively “using” his powers.

When was this? I thought their first meeting was in Kirby Plaza.

H.

[Harkonis]

Yeah. After Nathan had flown up to save him from the earlier roof jumping that landed him in the hospital where the scene you describe took place.

Also as for Sprague, remember at the time frame Peter met Spraque, he was spraying out radiation left and right, literally killing people who spent any decent amount of time near him. Not sure why that wouldn’t be actively “using” his powers.

Peter didn’t meet Ted until he had his power completely under control. Once again though, you can go back to interviews with the writers where they said that proximity is enough to get the powers. www.9thwonders.com is one of the many sites that can provide those types of links.

[Jackstar]

This is the geekiest thread on the Internet. Just so you know.