How the terrorists are winning

Last Thursday in Britain, from the Guardian, via Bruce Schneier:

This Reuters story was written while the police were detaining me in Southwark tube station and the bomb squad was checking my rucksack. When they were through, the two explosive specialists walked out of the tube station smiling and commenting: “Nice laptop.” The officers offered apologies on behalf of the Metropolitan police. Then they arrested me.

They handcuff me, hands behind my back, and take my rucksack out of my sight. They explain that this is for my safety, and that they are acting under the authority of the Terrorism Act. I am told that I am being stopped and searched because:

· they found my behaviour suspicious from direct observation and then from watching me on the CCTV system;

· I went into the station without looking at the police officers at the entrance or by the gates;

· two other men entered the station at about the same time as me;

· I am wearing a jacket “too warm for the season”; [he later notes that the day was actually quite cold for the season!]

· I am carrying a bulky rucksack, and kept my rucksack with me at all times;

· I looked at people coming on the platform;

· I played with my phone and then took a paper from inside my jacket.

The article goes on to describe how the author (who was on his way to work) was searched, handcuffed, had his fingerprints taken and was held for a day at the police station – while the police was searching his apartment. Ultimately he was released with a brief apology.

George Orwell would be proud. Er… or sickened.

So Britain must be safer the the USA, right?

What a whiner! They didnt even murder him, he got off easy for trying to stay warm.


The difference between being a “citizen” and being a “subject”.

In Gent Bentain, you are and can be “SUBJECTED” to some serious shit.

Welcome to Great Britain, don’t let the personal restrictions hit you on the way in or out.


To be a little fair to the cops:

Some staff had also been seen photographing tube stations with a camera phone. On June 2, as part of a team-building exercise, new colleagues were supposed to photograph landmarks and try to get a picture of themselves with a policeman.

They were supposed to photograph landmarks…Because that would make them look like terrorists and risk a hassle from the cops? Like a frat initiation. Bright idea, mates.

I photograph landmarks all the time… it’s what tourists do.

Look, tear down your fucking landmarks then. What the hell else do people take pictures of in a city? They are landmarks, targets for… PICTURES.

How many landmakrs have been attacked by terrorists? Fucking one? that was really a huge twin set of office buildings, in a different country? Or are buses landmarks?

Sure, but new hires weren’t sent out to be mistaken for tourists, right?

I’m not saying this detention was justified, just that there was a background, one based on a pretty stupid practice by people in the guy’s workplace. I’d be pissed at them too if I were this guy. It’s vaguely analogous to all the anthrax pranks pulled back in 2001.

Oh, you think that they were sent out deliberately to appear like terrorists? Doesn’t sound that way to me. It sounds just like one of those crazy off-the-top-of-the-head ideas that people have in meetings when organising team building sessions.

…just that there was a background, one based on a pretty stupid practice by people in the guy’s workplace.

So? It’d have been no different if they were random tourists, and random tourists would have been doing the exact same thing.

Even if they were intentionally doing this to get harrased by the cops (say it had been part of a civil disobedience press seeking exercise), how do you extend that to mean what the cops are doing in England is ok? How is it that those targeted by these absurd practices are in anyway at fault?

It’s bad enough here, but amazingly still better than the UK. Only advantage I can see to living in the UK is that you can easily move to another EU country that isn’t in such hot pursuit of Big Brother.

As a person who has been pulled from the line at airports, illegally searched whilst walking down the street, and had my living quarters illegally entered and searched, and pulled over in an automobile without cause, I can say that it is not really that big of a deal.

Personally, I rather enjoy having my rights violated, it gives me an opportunity to chum around with the law & order types, and I can handle it. Cops mean well, and they mean well enough to break rules occasionally. Don’t take it personally. If you are in America, all that stuff ends up being inadmissable anyways.

Here is how to deal with a violation of your civil rights. Take it in stride, be a good shit, have a chuckle and move on. Many times the officers are just as embarrassed that they put you in that situation, and they are looking for a low conflict method of extricating themselves.

Let them let you off with a warning. It isn’t like you don’t fuck up at work.

When I fuck up at work it’s playing video games all day – not violating someone’s rights. Cops have more responsibility to go with their authority, and frankly they can fucking well deal with it.

Considering the actual damage such violations have done, and how they keep encrouching if you just let them slide, I think it’s crazy you feel it just “gives you an oppurtunity to chum around with the law & order types”.

If some cop illegally searches me they will be hearing from my lawyer. Why should freedom just be a word that’s left locked up on some dusty old document on display in a museum?

I dont fuck up at work. I’d be fired. Watch swimming w/ sharks sometime, heh.

Great Britain:

[url=]Where people shouldn’t be afraid of their Government.
Their government should be afraid of their people.

You are part of the problem.

Which is strange since he’s a lawyer, or aspiring to be one.

You are part of the problem.[/quote]

I think you might have missed some sarcasm there.