Well then you ar ein the minority. I don’t know if you’ve noticed this but Trump is running a campaign based on irrational fear and impossible promises, and a large number of people are buying it wholesale. Is it really so weird that there are some anti-Trump people who are a little wigged out?
Aceris
2002
magnet, I think he wins this round. He’s boxed you into standing up for snake oil salesmen and anti-vaxxers.
we agree on something!
And i did try once or twice (to get it), but man is the darkside strong in this place, so much hate, so much ‘little man’ syndrome…it is rather pathetic and uncomfortable to hang out here and ‘try’ to make sense of all the fail. It should win an award for Qt3 worst thread ever or something?
Aceris
2004
Interesting, because the paper defines what it means by evidence based medicine:
"As a global term, EBHS (evidence-based health sciences) reflects clinical practice based on scientific inquiry. "
There’s a difference between the widespread critques of the practice of EBM, and nonsense like this that seeks to critique the principle. It rapidly becomes clear if you actually read them damn thing that this is in fact an English Lit. paper and nothing to do with clinical practice whatsoever.
And yes, it’s advocating snake oil:
"A starting point for health sciences would be to promote
the multiplicity of what Foucault describes as subjugated
forms of knowledge (savoirs assujettis): these forms of knowledge
are ways of understanding the world that are ‘disqualified
as non-conceptual knowledges, as insufficiently
elaborated knowledges: naïve knowledges, hierarchically
inferior knowledges, [and] knowledges that are below the
required level of erudition or scientificity’ "
You didnt think anyone would actually read the paper did you? You are literally worse than pwk, who is at least honest in his crazy.
magnet
2005
Your quote supports exactly what I wrote. The old-school surgeon who relies on intuition from decades of experience has a different form of knowledge than the surgeon fresh out of residency who writes up a six week study. And EBM is all about disqualifying the old surgeon’s approach as “unscientific”.
Because it probably is?
As an anecdote: My mother (a 56 years old surgeon) said to me just a week ago that she would rather hire a young 29 years old newly educated doctor that somebody her own age because young people are indeed better at medicine than older doctors with biased preconceptions founded on antiquated medical studies. She does keep up with newer studies, but understands her limitations.
magnet
2007
Well, she may be right! Like I said, it’s controversial, which means there are good arguments on both sides.
By the way, I didn’t mean to imply it’s a generational divide. After all, every young doctor got their medical knowledge directly from an old doctor, and doctors fresh out of training typically have the least direct exposure to journal articles (they prefer textbooks).
Instead, consider a doctor who recommends that you take a medicine based on her experience and training, contradicted by a scientist with no medical training who recommends a different drug based on her latest clinical trial. Who do you trust?
This thread was way more fun when it was just laughing at Twitter tantrums.
Tay would have liked this thread i suspect?
‘Tay, the neo-Nazi millennial chatbot, gets autopsied’:
Microsoft has apologized for the conduct of its racist, abusive machine learning chatbot, Tay. The bot, which was supposed to mimic conversation with a 19-year-old woman over Twitter, Kik, and GroupMe, was turned off less than 24 hours after going online because she started promoting Nazi ideology and harassing other Twitter users.
The company appears to have been caught off-guard by her behavior. A similar bot, named XiaoIce, has been in operation in China since late 2014. XiaoIce has had more than 40 million conversations apparently without major incident. Microsoft wanted to see if it could achieve similar success in a different cultural environment, and so Tay was born.
Unfortunately, the Tay experience was rather different. Although many early interactions were harmless, the quirks of the bot’s behavior were quickly capitalized on. One of its capabilities was that it could be directed to repeat things that you say to it. This was trivially exploited to put words into the bot’s mouth, and it was used to promote Nazism and attack (mostly female) users on Twitter.
The one time I thought Microsoft did something hip, and they blew it.
If you would like to link evidence of neo-nazi support in this thread, please go ahead.
Alstein
2012
The Japanese version of Tay also got corrupted, but into a fan of Love Live instead.
Yeah, the English speaking world ruined our version.
The AI learned and responded, just because MS didn’t like words that was used, didn’t it perform exactly like it was designed - i.e it worked?
They just need to give it to “PC Principal” (thought it did write a bit more than purely politically incorrect things I would think) to add a word filter on it.
So it just needs more prime directives from OCP.
The word filter will fail at first too.
They will teach it euphemisms, double entendres, mispellings and l33t speak, at which point it will need to be a real AI to understand context etc
Teiman
2016
It probably was corrupt by a organized group of trolls. It was not causal by intended by trolls. Groups of people on 4chan and other similar forums do these type of things for fun.
CraigM
2017
No probably about it. /pol on 4chan seems to have more than a casual link there. And it’s the exact type of dirtbag behavior that 4chan is famous for. 4chan, what a blister on the ass of humanity.
This is why we can’t have nice things. Except Boaty McBoatface. We can have that.
Quis protesto ipsos protestors?
Remember the right wing white male bogeyman that is presented as the only type of person who would oppose the “progressives”, safe spaces and no platforming? Any pics of them at this protest?
There Was A Protest Outside NUS Headquarters Against Group’s No Platform Policies
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/free-speech-is-a-left-wing-value/18166#.VvrIRqcrKUM
In which I try to make a constructive post in this thread!
So my general stance on things political and religious is pretty well known to most here, I think. That out of the way, I thought this NYT editorial by a college professor was a much more useful way to look at part of the disconnect between the minorities asserting their newfound power and traditionally dominant groups feeling demonized and ignored because of the color of their skin or what kind of ugly bits they would like to rub their nasties against.
TLDR: Men (this article is mostly focused on straight, white men on college campuses) have cultural shit to deal with too, and we do nobody any favors by ignoring or downplaying that fact - much less by in effect blaming them for the cultural shit (and, yes, oppression) that other groups have to deal with as a result of the last however many millenia of Western cultural trajectory.
I particularly liked that this wasn’t interested in any kind of (term I genuinely despise) Oppression Olympics. Maybe because that’s a losing battle - no shit a gay black woman has a lot more shit to deal with, socialization of poor emotional self-image in men or no - but I’m just so tired of that. I’m much more interested in “here’s a problem, here are possible solutions or at least lines of inquiry that might lead to one” than “you should feel bad for being straight/white/middle-class/male/European/American/whatthefuckever.”
In closing, libertarianism is a ridiculous adolescent fantasy and the 35% or so of the country who believe that uppity minorities should just bootstrap themselves up like everyone else are terrible people.
