RichVR
2913
I was referring to climate change. Trump doesn’t care about it, as long as he makes money.
That’s fair. I mean, don’t get me wrong; Trump being re-elected would have massive ramifications. I’m sorry if it somehow came across I didn’t think so.
KevinC
2915
I’m coming to believe that keeping people in cages and torturing them is the American Dream of the new millennium.
I mean, that’s basically true, although I’d probably phrase it “Do whatever the hell I want and never be held accountable for it in any way.”
How dire? Serious question. Again, people here and on the Twitters are throwing around very clear signifiers and foreshadowings of a path that leads to death camps. At what point, hypothetically, do people experiencing such forebodings do something about it other than vote and gripe? Or is there no such point unless it comes to our own families’ personal well being?
I’ve regularly gone to protests and will continue to. However, I’m not going to throw away my job to camp out indefinitely on the National Mall in order to do so unless we actually enter fascism. In that case, I’ll likely see many of you at Guantanamo Bay. Dibs on the right side of the bottom bunk.
Scuzz
2919
Trump has been a dismal president, but go back and read how people thought of Reagan and tell me the reactions are that much different. As of now I would think much of what Trump has done could be undone whereas we still live with much of what Reagan did.
Weird how Reagan is now viewed as a neocon by the far right.
Matt_W
2920
There was a many hundred page report that released recently that said, and I quote
The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.
. . .
As set forth in detail in this repo1t, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.
So which is a bigger contravention of the democratic process?
Scuzz
2921
As someone noted several posts up I bet Comey did as much damage as the Russians. And would you really be willing to revolt against what would still be a legally elected government based on that Russian intervention? It wasn’t exactly Russians stuffing the ballot box that won it for Trump.
Matt_W
2922
I don’t know. Saddam Hussein was legally elected too, by 99% of voters in 1995 and 100% of voters in 2002. At what point does the legality of the election give way to its illegitimacy? Democracy can clearly be subverted. It has to mean something.
Nesrie
2924
I think this is completely overlooking the fact that the Trump and the GOP have declared open season on minorities. Keeping in mind, beating, shooting, imprisoning, and discrimination so bad that it’s basically an open secret in too many industries to count already existed, but now you can just get your local officer to gun one down, harass them off the internet, send death threats our just beat them at one these protests Gordon keeps asking about… with iffy if any consequences.
This stuff will not be undone in our lifetime.
Matt_W
2925
Yeah, the co-opting of our security forces by the rage-filled alt-right sphere is my biggest locus of anxiety about the future, even more than Trump in the Oval Office.
This reminds me of how the Morning Star reported the fall of the Berlin Wall and East Germany.
Off duty and retired CBP who are members of the Facebook group?
Fingers crossed for a meteor.
