Quaro
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I reversed imaged search the source of this picture. What the F America.
Oh sorry I assumed the story was well known
Clay posted it upthread, about 6 hours ago.
Quaro
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Yeah now I see it. The article link is three tweets down from the tweet in the forum though, easy to miss!
My question is, what will it take to get massive, nationwide protests? Or a general strike? Can anything do that, or is it just forever off the table? It doesn’t help that there is no national leader on the left (like MLK, for example) even calling for that kind of action.
Nesrie
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What exactly would that change?
The Women’s March coordinated across the nation and had a massive march. Black Lives Matters has leaders, led protests. Like how big are you expecting?
There are protests like that which are planned and cordoned off by police and such and the protestors march politely along a planned route, and then you have protests like Hong Kong where the train stations and airports are shut down because mobs of protestors are swarming them unexpectedly.
Scuzz
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Short of members of the right finally protesting it (and I don’t see that happening, I don’t really even hear groups like the Catholic Church publicly complaining) I think Trump and his political minions would just ignore protests and call them socialist.
I saw a study on NPR about critical numbers behind protests. I asked the question myself upthread on when marches seem to work and when they don’t. I have not read the study yet.
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/06/25/735536434/the-magic-number-behind-protests
" Unsurprisingly, the more participants recorded, the higher the likelihood of success. But as the campaign’s participation reached 3.5% of the population, that likelihood became seemingly inevitable. Examples include the People Power Revolution in the Philippines and the Rose Revolution in Georgia."
That would be roughly 10 million for the USA
According to wiki, the largest march to date is the 2017 women’s march with 3.3m - I notice they don’t list the labor movements from the commie scare era.
RichVR
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It would take a complete paradigm shift, like the late 60s and 70s. Rejecting the status quo. A feeling of oneness with everyone else. Probably drug use as well. Something that broke the mold, changed the mind. A sea change.
Never happen now.
Ten or twenty million people walking off the job and threatening a series of such strikes would get someone’s attention, and that would get the Republicans’ attention.
Yes. I’m talking about that kind of passive non-violent civil disobedience. Not planned one-day events within the law.
Maybe not, but if the answer is that nothing would get decent people into the streets, maybe we are well and truly fucked.
RichVR
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You’ll get no argument from me.
Here’s an upbeat little story from my favorite author.
Nesrie
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That’s never the answer. We’ve seen change, unexpected, time and time again from groups that you’d think would have no reason to hope. Ten million… that’s a tall ask for sure. It might help if groups with similar interests actually united.
Like you said, there is not a single unifying voice.
But… but… I thought they were only going after the criminals? (Spoiler, all undocumented migrants are criminals in their eyes,)
It’s also not true. Only one of the seven food processing plants was Koch owned. The company has to pay the government, not the people. And I fail to see how losing so many employees is a benefit to these companies.
Fair enough, thanks. I deleted the post.
Scuzz
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When the SSA started mailing employers letters that stated they had employees using SSN’s that didn’t match the employees names there were ag interests here in the central valley who freaked out. We had congressmen on TV (from both sides) saying this was a witch hunt.
Tman
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There was a good twitter thread on this. Can’t find it now, but basically the author asserts that the companies embrace these raids to keep the rest of the workers silent on the conditions inside these plants.
The companies assert they are using the “Verified” app from the government to ensure they aren’t hiring anyone that is illegal, so the companies aren’t charged.
In return, the companies get a compliant workforce that won’t testify or say what kind of conditions they are working - long hours, horrendous work.
Make no mistake - these spots will be filled quickly and production won’t be affected. In fact, I bet some investigation could reveal that next week was “cleaning or re-engineering” week, where they had planned to have a few lines down anyway.
I pondered this and it actually makes sense.
EDIT: Found the thread
These are the types of cases that make me squirm, morally and ethically.
The folks swept up in this raid were not asylum-seekers like the poor families at the border that Trump’s administration is terrorizing. Instead they are the traditional “Illegals” that most people think about – folks who overstayed their visas and are living in the shadows.
In theory, we should actually WANT raids like this. In an ideal world this would be a good thing (in the long run): the companies would be severely punished and have to start paying a decent wage for the work and making the jobs more attractive to people who are legally allowed to work in the US. In the meantime, ICE wasn’t off hassling random people on the street due to their skin color, or hanging around schools like armed vultures trying to nab parents… instead they got a tip that companies were using undocumented workers, got a warrant and raided the place.
But of course as Tman noted, this is far from an ideal world. Unless the companies themselves are held accountable, this action only hurts the people living in the shadows and does nothing to reduce their numbers.
How convenient that the law is written with a “good faith” verification policy which shifts all the legal risk from employing an undocumented person from the employer to the poor worker.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a
