3232

Wow what an asshole.

3233

I mean, the honesty is kind of refreshing.

I’ve long maintained that a big part of our failure to manage immigration is due to the conflict between our rhetoric of being an open nation for immigrants and the actual policies that people want to enact, which are anything by open. It just muddies the whole conversation.

If they want the policy to be “Immigrants Fuck off”, at least they can be honest about it.

3234

Maybe that’s what it is today, but we’d be harming ourselves and the world by trying to erase the fact of the past which is we were a nation of populations that were rejected, looked down upon, forced to come here, desperate to come here… Not this bullshit thing they tout today.

3235

Another issue with this policy is that it will discourage those in their prime working years from coming and increase the aging population.

3236

Yes, old people who vote for this shit don’t seem to realize that is is young working-age people who largely pay for their retirement. Maybe they should want more of them, not fewer.

3237

I’m all for them changing the plaque once they get the statue to levitate by having Liberty pull herself up by her bootstraps. /s

3238

Personally, I think the French, should repossess the Statute of Liberty and move it to Vancouver or Montreal, or maybe Sweden.

3239

If only a bunch of younger people wanted to come in and do these jobs.
Oh well, guess we’re just fucked.

3240

Huh, yeah. I can’t really think of anyone willing to travel in order to find work like that. Sounds like we’re just outta luck. Wish there was a solution to something like this.

3241

We need to find more Norwegians

(Which, given their historic ties to fishing, would actually legitimately work… if they had any reason to want to come here)

3242

Or we could actually pay workers a decent wage… 11.37 an hour, what did they think would happen?

3243

Don’t get crazy on us now, @nesrie.

3244

All I know is that somehow chicken would end up being $63 a pound.

3245

That, or every business everywhere would collapse and everyone would be unemployed. Take that, libs!

3246

There was a story this morning on NPR that interviewed a restaurant owner in the Midwest talking about hiring undocumented workers. She said that she advertises in all the usual places . . . craigslist, Facebook, the paper, window signs, and can’t get anyone but illegal aliens to show up and do the job. She pointed out that every time she hired an American they thought the job was beneath them, had no passion for it, showed up late, worked a single shift, took their money, then quit. Undocumented workers stay on for years at a time, work hard, get a semi-decent wage ($16/hr for cooks I think), and on top of that, pay taxes! They get fake social security numbers then pay taxes into a system in which they never see the benefit. They keep their head down and don’t even do things like call the cops on people, they are too scared of the law.

I’ve heard this story again and again. American workers think a whole class of job is beneath them and they should all be in management or owners “just because”. Even the dregs of our society who can’t even hold down a job at a restaurant.

We don’t just need immigrants. We need illegal immigrants. And loads of them!

3247

isn’t that effectively what the “gig” economy is? A sort of psychological trick? Doing those menial jobs without a “boss” and with self initiation? It’s like saying burger flipping is beneath me, but if there were an app for that and i can do it when i want to, sign me up!

3248

The Uber of burger flipping. What would you call this wonderous app?

CookTime? BurgerBoss? ChefGig?

Come to think of it, do you need to be a U.S. Citizen to drive for Uber? I don’t think I’ve ever had a foreign national, unlike a cab, where I would get them all the time. Most of my Uber drivers have been like Jamie Foxx in Collateral. “I’m just doing this part time temporarily”.

3249

Uber drivers in NYC need a SSN and to be taxi comission licensed. They are basically the car service (T plates) drivers. Work their $200 a day and go home.

3250

You’re not thinking psychologically enough!

Something like CraftBank or GuildMe or Ladder.

3251

This is a bullshit story though. Hard work is, well hard. So yeah, not everyone is going to want to do it, but the real problem here isn’t that Americans won’t do these jobs, it’s if you pay chick scratch you’re not going to find a lot of people motivated enough to do those jobs and stay in them. These industries refuse to change and abuse the fact there are illegal immigrants they can hire.

I mean you look at a story like this:

Brand-Name Companies, No-Name Workers: How ‘Ghosts’ at Contractors Keep ICE at Bay

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-12-21/brand-name-companies-no-name-workers-how-ghosts-at-contractors-keep-ice-at-bay

Lopez didn’t ask questions. As an undocumented immigrant, she’d learned long ago to accept all kinds of oddities and indignities at work. Then earlier this year, the pay card stopped working. She complained to her boss and, eventually, got a new one. This one had no name on it. Lopez lost several weeks’ pay in the transition, she said, but her boss told her she could gripe all she wanted—no one would listen. She’d been working under the name of a person who’d come and gone long ago, she recalled him saying, so there would never be any record that she’d even picked up a broom on this job.

Does this asshole of a boss sound like someone anyone here wants to work for? The problem in this scenario is not just the pay, but you can bet someone like this would go to the news and complain that Americans won’t take these jobs, and he can’t keep them leaving out the fact he’s an asshole treating people like less than dirt. Hard jobs are one thing; people do them all the time. The people in charge can still treat their employees with dignity and respect no matter what the situation is.