Is there a roguelike

[McKnight]

@peacedog

“Rogue likes” are traditionally turn based. And almost all of them are turn based, to this day.

That’s not a meaningful statement. Yes, most turn based games revolve around a party, when discussing RPGs anyway (but not TBS games, of course).

None the less, most RLs are TB games. They tend to involve increasingly complex tactical situations (this varies from one to the next, of course). Stuff you couldn’t do in real time when you factor in both the major decisions and number of foes you are dealing with. Turn-based gameplay fits like a glove.

Read the last bit of the post peacedog, I was thinking of something else entirely and apologized for the earlier analysis. Hell even the RL I mentioned is turn-based ;)

[Miramon]

Real-time combat animation is so profoundly different from roguelike combat that even if the levels were laid out on a perfectly horizontal 3x3 room grid and the game goal was to retrieve the Amulet of Yendor from a single dungeon, no such game would be a roguelike.

That being said, plenty of action games have deliberately incorporated abstracted roguelike elements, most notably the dungeon dive concept, but IMO Diablo is a roguelike the same way that a PC is an abacuslike.

[ravenight]

what does animation have to do with it? How would a prefix-based item system or a straightforward D2-style skill tree make a game “not a roguelike”?

[aganazer]

@Miramon

Real-time combat animation is so profoundly different from roguelike combat that even if the levels were laid out on a perfectly horizontal 3x3 room grid and the game goal was to retrieve the Amulet of Yendor from a single dungeon, no such game would be a roguelike.

That being said, plenty of action games have deliberately incorporated abstracted roguelike elements, most notably the dungeon dive concept, but IMO Diablo is a roguelike the same way that a PC is an abacuslike.

OP said he’s looking for a turn based game.

Sounds like you’re assuming that a roguelike needs to be fantasy. Dungeon? Amulet of Yendor?

[Miramon]

@aganazer

OP said he’s looking for a turn based game.

Sounds like you’re assuming that a roguelike needs to be fantasy. Dungeon? Amulet of Yendor?

Er, that was what the game of rogue was about.

But no, I couldn’t care less about the theme. For a roguelike, with a few exceptions like ADOM, that’s often a pretty thin veneer, much like the theme of a German boardgame is sometimes more a choice of box art than anything to do with the gameplay.

[Steven_Peeler]

For the Din’s Curse questions: I think we are going to miss the end of the month, but it will probably only be by days. We are very close. :) The day that we start beta, we will start up our pre-order program and if you want to you will be able to download and play the beta. I believe (this could change) the pre-order will be $19.99, but it will sell for higher when we go gold.

Oh, and yes cave-ins are cool. :) My opinion is biased of course.

[ScottyA]

@Steven Peeler

For the Din’s Curse questions: I think we are going to miss the end of the month, but it will probably only be by days. We are very close. :) The day that we start beta, we will start up our pre-order program and if you want to you will be able to download and play the beta. I believe (this could change) the pre-order will be $19.99, but it will sell for higher when we go gold.

Oh, and yes cave-ins are cool. :) My opinion is biased of course.

Thanks for the update. I can’t wait. I ended up buying Depths of Peril after perusing your site and before I knew it it was almost 4am. Great stuff!

[Tyjenks]

I guess we need a Soldak thread. We seem to have co-opted this one. :)

Depths of Peril is super in its unique gameplay elements. Love that game.

[Steven_Peeler]

@The Bird Flu

Thanks for the update. I can’t wait. I ended up buying Depths of Peril after perusing your site and before I knew it it was almost 4am. Great stuff!

Cool, thanks for buying DoP!

@Tyjenks

I guess we need a Soldak thread. We seem to have co-opted this one. :)

If anyone does start a Soldak thread, yell at me so I can join in.

[ravenight]

I’ll willing donate this thread…so…when is Din’s Curse gonna be ready? ;)

[Steven_Peeler]

Sorry I really didn’t mean to take over your thread.

We should be going into beta and accepting pre-orders within the next few days.

[baelthazar]

Ok Steven, because you wanted an actual Din’s Curse/Soldak thread:

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?p=2075153#post2075153

Some of you may have seen this post on other forums - I’ve been posting it to generate interest. Feel free to talk about Depths of Peril and Kivi’s Underworld in that thread - they are great games and fun to discuss!