Is there an inexpensive, good miniatures game out there?

If you like dwarves, undead or elves I would again recommend you take a look at the stuff from Mantic. They average less than $1 per figure and look to be higher quality than most of the plastic historical minis. I have a couple of their metal dwarves and they are very nice. Their next release is orcs and goblins. As long as you’re not playing at a GW store there is no reason you can’t use Mantic figs in place of or along side* the GW ones.

*This may not work as well for elves since the Mantic elves are what you would expect an elf to be and the GW high elves are humans with pointy ears and giant hamfists.

GW still sells the basic army composition stuff. The 5 armies that still have plenty of stuff available - Ork, Space Marines, Chaos, Eldar, IG - all have most units available to buy. You’ll see on the Specialist Games part of the GW site that there’s plastic “Horde” or “Battleforce” boxed sets for ~$22, which contain a lot of stands. The Chaos one I think is about half the size of a proper army. Things like Titans are more expensive but you only need one or two (if any). After that, you’re going down the Ebay route (but to be fair, it’s dirt cheap).

The rulebook’s available on the GW site, and there’s TacComms for updated and expanded army lists.

Edit: I forgot to mention that there’s a few companies selling models which fill the gaps in GW’s epic range. If I ever get round to doing Necrons it’ll be almost entirely sourced from non-GW stores.

Flames of War seems to be the most popular non-GW/PP miniatures game on the sites I frequent, but I know little about it. Not sure it’s any cheaper than other options though.

Although I haven’t played any minis games since the initial release of Epic 40k, I wanted to drop a link to you guys to check out http://www.bartertown.com. It’s an alternative trading board to eBay that’s been around about as long and usually has more activity. You’ll probably find some good deals there to buy some used minis cheap and sell off your army if you’re looking to make a change.

Full disclosure: the site is run by my brother, so I checked with Tom to make sure I wasn’t violating the pimping rule by providing the link.

Additionally to the above, most boards that discuss miniatures wargaming have sub-forums devoted to member trades. Often times things are put up there at sub-Ebay prices before being offered to the wider world on the seller’s auction site of choice.

Flames of War isn’t that cheap on the 1000-2000pt scale, but you can pick up tank platoons for $60 each to get you started (Sherman vs Panzer IV is always a good time) pushing lead around. Then $50 for the rule book, $25 for a scenario book, and whatever you want to spend on tools should get you well on your way. Infantry is much harder to jump into, since stands are modeled 1:1 - an American rifle platoon will have you painting 41 dudes, and if you want to play Soviets…

But of course, that’s not fantasy, which it sounds like is much more your bag.

I seem to have talked myself into some 40K Skirmish-Play Gaming. I just picked up a pile of Dark Heresy, to-be-mutified minis, and moulds for 3Dified interior battlefields.

… I suddenly feel very poor.

It might be worth looking at some of the rulesets people have devised for skirmish-level 40k. There’s Inquisimunda somewhere, but Death Squads looks interesting.

Wow! Why have I never heard of that before?

SlyFrog I think Death Squads might be exactly what you were looking for. I obviously haven’t had a chance to read through it all yet (much less played any matches), but it appears to be 40K for 5-30 minis per side & optimised for campaign play.

Anyway, thanks a lot JM. I had something a little more narrative-driven/RPG’ish in mind (hence the particular selection of stuff I just bought), but I am definitely going to have to try some Death Squads matches :)

I just want to toss out the name of heroscape out there. In its current state it has been dropped from production, and the prices have really shot up, which might defeat the whole point of it, but regardless, i found it to be an amazingly fun and deep, affordable mini game.

I bought the rise of valkire master set for $25 us about a year ago which gave you everything you need to know about the game to play it and see if you like it.

The most interesting piece of heroscape is the terrain. It is made up of plastic hex pieces of various size that lock together and can be stacked and is quite rugged so won’t break or come apart easily. You can throw together pretty awesome 3d boards of various size and shape for the figures to battle over.

The game itself has prepainted minis of pretty much any genera you can think of from fantasy to western to sci fi. Every unit has a point value which is used to make the army. Units can be solo, more powerful heros with hitpoints, or made up of multiple cheap common squads that can have 3 figures per unit card, and you might end up say taking 3 common squads for 9 figures on the board. Some large units can take up 2 hexes.

The units have dice counts for attack and defense, then range, and movement. In addition they have some special rules or moves that are as unique as the units themselves that give different advantages or disadvantages. Being above a unit gives you +1 attack/defense when interacting with units below you. When you are ajacent to a unit and try to disengage you suffer a pretty brutal free attack.

Line of sight is very loose and fun, a part of the unit card shows you the targetable area on a unit and a sight point, which is usually the head. So to check LOS i just look from behind my chars head to see if i can see a body part on my enemy that is marked on red on his unit card. There is a zombie unit and the only LOS part of him that is targetable is the head, which is sort of funny :)

The game is quite fun, and drafting an army and watching them work out on varying landscapes, all for pretty low prices, make this a pretty amazing minature game.

But again, now it might be hard to find, and prices have increased, but just to give an example, I went nuts about 2 years ago when I found out about it, and spent about 300 dollars over the year on it, and I basically have about 100+ figures, a ton of terrain, roads, trees, fortresses, adn have even made some custom terrain for it.

The selling format of the game was basically master sets to get you started, and I totally recommend if you can find rise of the valkyrie to start, bar that swarm of the marrow master set. The other units they then sell in booster packs that were about 8 bucks each, in ‘waves’. Basically each wave would have 1 pack of say 5 hero figures, then packs of common units that match with 1 or 2 of the heros. The place they got you was to effectively use common squads you need 2 to 3 of them, so for example I wanted knights of weston, which came in a pack of 4 knights + 3 of another unit I didn’t care about, and I bought 2 of them for 14 dollars.

Unfortunately now some packs are going for around 25 each, which is like tripple the price, but ebay might help you out.

Finally, the authority on all things heroscape, including amazing set of maps to build, can be found at, well I can’t post links yet, but the site is heroscapers with the com on the end :)

DBA rocks. It has a very large userbase. Btw there is a DBA con in michigan this weekend! maybe worth going along to check it out.

http://home.comcast.net/~spartacon/site/?/home/

Seconded on the Heroscape, particularly if you have kids you’ll be playing with.

Amazon has the D&D starter set for sale at $24 (it was as low as $15 bucks during holiday sale). http://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Dragons-Heroscape-Master-Set/dp/B0030FAVRE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294078402&sr=8-1

As to being dropped from production, I think only the first series (e.g., the first master set) has been rotated out. They have other sets/series out there, like the D&D one, going for retail prices.

Wow, thank you very much for the heads up! I think I’m going to show up after work just to watch some games and see if I can find any clubs more local to me. If anyone would like to meet up there and catch a drink or something let me know!

I spent quite a bit of time last night reading through the unofficial rule book and browsing historical minis. I’m getting really excited about this, it gives me a reason to read even more about ancient history and I get to paint models. Seriously that is a great combo IMO.

Wizards of the coast dropped it all together I believe. IMHO the best part of the game is the original, wizards picked it up from hasbro and tried to push d&d into it by reusing their d&d mini’s in the set. I think it had some merit as a dungeon crawler style game from what I’ve read (haven’t picked it up), but again I think the best part of the game is with the stuff that came before d&d heroscape.

I think they are still doing one more wave/expansion, so d&d heroscape + the recent wave (10 I think?) should be out there at good prices for a bit yet, but that should be it. They were rereleasing the original waves in sequence for a time (they started doing that when I found the game), but that has halted as well.

So yeah d&d heroscape is still on the cheap and should be for a bit, but that might shoot up too. Though I also read some stuff on heroscapers about other companies potentially looking to pick up the heroscape stuff, so we may see it rise again.

It is a damn shame too since the game itself, unit variety, terrain, minis and everything are awesome straight out of the box, it is like getting all the best parts of minature games without the cost, massive rule books, and painting time etc etc.

Also I forgot to mention if you look around for tom vassel / the dice tower video review of heroscape, it is 5 parts and pretty much covers all the great things about this game.

I’ll throw a vote out there for Battlelore:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_minisite.asp?eidm=15&enmi=Battlelore

I like the ruleset and had great fun painting my figures. The whole license was recently acquired by Fantasy Flight Games and they’ve been putting out expansions. Here’s my painted figures:

http://picasaweb.google.com/iamagiantnerd/Battlelore#

I have Heroscape - a good one to mention, but doesn’t really scratch the “battle” itch. I think Heroscape is good, but for a tactical hex-based game, I generally prefer to play Duel of Ages (of course, it has no minis).

Not sure I can do Flames of War because I’m not certain the price is there.

Epic does remain a possibility, but I’m not it will satisfy my painter’s itch. Also as suggested, I would probably prefer either fantasy or sci fi. I like units having “special” abilities that are a bit out there (psykers, magic, etc.), rather than just number crunching the different weights of say Napoleon’s cuirassiers versus Wellington’s cavalry.

I will poke around at Death Squads, but I think it may be more small scale of action than I want (though it does look cool).

Appreciate all of the suggestions trying to boil things down. I am going to take a closer look at both Kings of War (Mantic) and DBA (and the Hordes of Things offshoot). I like the idea of Kings of War, because unlike DBA/Hordes of Things, I don’t have to put as much work into figuring out what company’s minis to buy, forces to make, etc., because a mini line appears to be part of Kings of War.

Of course, on the other hand, DBA/Hordes of Things gives you the flexibility to go with whatever minis are cheapest, and also gives you greater flexibility to switch to another line of minis if your existing one starts getting jacked up in price (something I understand happened with Warmachine).

Decisions, decisions.

I’ll throw out a vote for Epic, with the caveat that I have no idea what state the game is in these days. I played 1st/2nd editions a bit waaay back when, and then 3rd hit. I agree with GW’s designers who (allegedly) maintain that Epic 40k (the 3rd edition rules/box) was the best rule set they’ve ever produced- it has nothing in common with any rule set they’ve made before or since (turn order, stats, powers, nothing). It was massively streamlined, unfortunately too much so for the standard GW playerbase, and it bombed really hard, leading the game to it’s current ‘Specialist’ (read: fan-supported) state. From what I understand, the latest Epic Armageddon rules have a few similarities to 3rd ed., but they brought it back to their usual standard of over-complexity. :p

Painting it all is actually pretty fun. Despite being 6mm, the models actually have lots of detail. Well, the vehicles do, anyway- but you end up painting lots of those. The infantry are detailed enough to tell what they are from across the table. And then there’s the Titans. 8)

So look up the 3rd edition set. It’s a sci-fi minis game any modern boardgamer can appreciate.

[EDIT]Christ on a crutch, did any of you that are unsure about painting the Epic stuff even look at the link JM posted upthread? My god, that stuff is glorious.

What??? Heroscape’s out of production? I got the Marvel set a few months ago for my son and he loves playing it with me…

What’s a good alternative for a 9-10 year old kid who’s interested in tabletop miniatures? He’s too young for 40k and I’d rather not paint if I can avoid it.

Is there a spiritual successor to Heroscape?

Get thee to www.heroscapers.com and look at the custom units. They never supported the Marvel stuff with anything more than that boxed set, but you can easily get a mess of your favorite heroes from the defunct WizKids clix games and look them up on heroscapers. Chances are, someone has made and playtested stats for them. Just print out stat cards, rebase them (or not) and enjoy.

Good luck! I had a LOT of fun with DBA a few years back. Hmm I should probably bring out my old armies again for a few battles.

No offense to those of you who like it, but DBA is batshit insane. Avoid. If I had to pick a “traditional” miniatures game, it would be Field of Glory.

The problem with most miniatures games is that you end up having to get out a tape measure and argue about millimeters. To that end, I will propose that you try this miniatures game that I have not yet tried, Hordes and Heroes, which uses a hex-based area-movement/fighting thing. The rules look pretty simple:

http://www.kallistra.co.uk/H&H%20Rules.html

Then, come tell us how it is.