Is there any reason to return to EVE Online?

[Mark_Weston]

No it is not, you clearly have no idea what the background is and/or not read any of the follow-up posts in this thread or on the eve forums.

Your assumption is mistaken, I’m a (fairly) long time EVE player and I’ve been following the debate very closely.

[farfrael]

Your assumption is mistaken, I’m a (fairly) long time EVE player and I’ve been following the debate very closely.

In which case, you clearly have some reading comprehension issues. Talking of condescending (and snide), your post was a pretty good example.

Of course his post is factual and confirms what every player has been worried about for a while: CCP has decided not to allocate any significant resources to fixing the core game, therefore ignoring the concerns of said player base whilst maintaining they know what is right for Eve.

The use of loaded words such as “rumours, half-facts”, the confirmation CCP will not make any improvements until 2011, recruitment red-herring etc does not help either. Or pointing out CCP’s history of over-promising and under-delivering but I suppose that’s not going to change your mind either?

At this point, my immediate response would be to tell you to fuck off with your unfounded references to P&L and snide remarks but I really think you are not worth the effort.

[_scout]

It seems like Zulupark finally posted what he should have said in the first place.

Also:

Thread from E-O General Forum: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1353457

Interesting to see a fairly large number of CCP responses as to what they play in the game itself.

EDIT: Seriously, I’ve never seen so many CCP employees post in a single thread. Yes, its probably PR, but it is interesting to read what they say they do in game.

[Mark_Weston]

In which case, you clearly have some reading comprehension issues. Talking of condescending (and snide), your post was a pretty good example.

Of course his post is factual and confirms what every player has been worried about for a while: CCP has decided not to allocate any significant resources to fixing the core game, therefore ignoring the concerns of said player base whilst maintaining they know what is right for Eve.

The use of loaded words such as “rumours, half-facts”, the confirmation CCP will not make any improvements until 2011, recruitment red-herring etc does not help either. Or pointing out CCP’s history of over-promising and under-delivering but I suppose that’s not going to change your mind either?

After the CSM minutes were published there were a bunch of posts on the EVE-O forums about CCP’s plans. And this being the internets, some people were either posting without reading any of the detail, or resorting to forum hyperbole to make whatever their point was. So there were plenty of statements along the lines of “CCP won’t be fixing lag for 18 months”, “CCP are doing no new EVE development for 18 months”, “EVE is now in maintenance mode” etc, etc, all demonstrably wrong to anyone who had read the whole thing. Fairly clearly there were “half-truths and rumours” (and plenty of pure bullshit) doing the rounds and Zulu was responding to them straightforwardly (and in far more detail than most developers would). I see no reason to describe any of the language used as “loaded”, or “arrogant” or “disdainful” or to assume bad faith or evil motivations based on what he said.

At this point, my immediate response would be to tell you to fuck off with your unfounded references to P&L and snide remarks but I really think you are not worth the effort.

Well if I caused offence, I’m sorry, as that wasn’t the plan. On the other hand if you can get that upset about a forum post then you should probably moderate your own posting style, Mister Pot.

[JM1]

There’s certainly a history of people going batshit insane over pretty much anything CCP do. SHC is a cesspit these days and it’s unfortunate that some of the CSMs seem to be welded into the SHC ethos, which is that of being complete dicks.

[Mrenda]

I need a bit of help. Over on the PC Gamer forums a new player to Eve has decided to start up a PCG Eve Corp. It has the backing of PCG, it has it’s own forums and there’s going to be space on a Teamspeak server. What I’m wondering is what is the best way of showing off Eve to some new players. I think at the moment it’s mostly a split of old alts and newbies. The new players ar fairly raw but dedicated gamers. They’re finding the forums a bit unhelpful and bewildering. They’re already planning a mining op. I said, if my current corp allows me to join my alt to the PCG one, that I’d FC a few roams. (I wouldn’t be up to anything bigger than a cruiser roam, just for the type of combat we’d encounter, so this small stuff suits me.) But what else can you do for new players in a group? What’s the best way of showing off Eve to the few trial accounts that’ll give Eve a go?

[_scout]

I wouldn’t be up to anything bigger than a cruiser roam, just for the type of combat we’d encounter, so this small stuff suits me.

Just get em all in the basic racial corp frigates (punisher, kestrel, rifter, gallente one).
Better fund those to them and have them prefitted and perfect, have a few of them ready.

Then move out into low.sec and just shoot/hunt the next best target or get obliterated :D.

[Mrenda]

Just get em all in the basic racial corp frigates (punisher, kestrel, rifter, gallente one).
Better fund those to them and have them prefitted and perfect, have a few of them ready.

Then move out into low.sec and just shoot/hunt the next best target or get obliterated :D.

That’s what I was planning, although I don’t think they’d like to go flashy red yet. :D

But surely there’s more to group play in Eve?

What ships would you need for a Class 1 and Class 2 wormhole? Maybe head into one after the low-sec roam. I know they’re soloable, but what sliding scale of people:ships/fittings would you need?

Apart from that I think there are blueprints for basic fittings going in a corp hangar. So people can mine stuff as a group, then make corp stuff together.

[_scout]

You dont go red if you go after ppl with low-sec standing in low-sec.

In rancer which is basically the center of all eve as its in between all empires (so easy to get everybody close to it) there certainly a few Battleships camping a gate.

Have about 30frigates, everybody with an MDW, make sure everybody has “keep at distance” to 50km and then pick your primary, as soon as somebody gets damage/targeted hit that button and they should MWD very fast away, if they notice no damage incoming, close in again, keep doing that till you down the first target, then go for the next.

A pure slasher fleet in FW (though we were more than 30) killed two BS IIRC correctly.

For wormhole you really want BCs because the focused fire and the switching target will kill crusiers to fast, even RRing cruiser, they jsut dont have the buffer.

If you have three BS RRing you can go into a wormhole up to cl3 and then take everybody in cheap fits “to have a look”. The RR and energy transferes among the BS and warping these in first should ensure that the aggro stays on the BS and the others can goof around.

Also dont be afraid to “sacrificy a few” noobs to the almight PvP good or loose em in W-space on the wrong side ;), it all add to the expirience :D .

[Mark_Weston]

I need a bit of help. Over on the PC Gamer forums a new player to Eve has decided to start up a PCG Eve Corp. It has the backing of PCG, it has it’s own forums and there’s going to be space on a Teamspeak server. What I’m wondering is what is the best way of showing off Eve to some new players. I think at the moment it’s mostly a split of old alts and newbies. The new players ar fairly raw but dedicated gamers. They’re finding the forums a bit unhelpful and bewildering. They’re already planning a mining op. I said, if my current corp allows me to join my alt to the PCG one, that I’d FC a few roams. (I wouldn’t be up to anything bigger than a cruiser roam, just for the type of combat we’d encounter, so this small stuff suits me.) But what else can you do for new players in a group? What’s the best way of showing off Eve to the few trial accounts that’ll give Eve a go?

I’m the last person to offer advice on PvE, but I believe someone with high agent standings can “share” a mission they’ve been given with other fleet members? So having small groups of newbies running level 3’s might be fun, especially with a bit of prep so they can skill for and fit some basic remote rep equipment.

How about a visit to Syndicate? You can introduce them to 0.0 rats and rat bounties, and have fun just trying to stay alive.

If they’re particularly keen on PvP, why not head down to Gallente space and wardec the RvB corps for a week? You’ll get as much PvP as you can eat!

[Skipper]

That’s what I was planning, although I don’t think they’d like to go flashy red yet. :D

But surely there’s more to group play in Eve?

What ships would you need for a Class 1 and Class 2 wormhole? Maybe head into one after the low-sec roam. I know they’re soloable, but what sliding scale of people:ships/fittings would you need?

Apart from that I think there are blueprints for basic fittings going in a corp hangar. So people can mine stuff as a group, then make corp stuff together.

If you’re feeling full of testosterone and they don’t mind probably dying, a trip to the Eve Gate or the Black Monolith might be cool for non pew pew. But I would steer them toward a pvp event in lowsec. Maybe even a team event if you can’t find any local targets. In that case you would need another FC.

Since it’s a great knowledgebase and probably exactly what they need, I would steer them toward some of the Eve-Uni wiki pages to start.

Rookie’s Guide to Fleet Ops
Tackling 101
EW 101

And some pre-recorded classes:
Small Ship PvP
PvP Tactics 1
PvP Tactics 2
PvP Tactics 3

[Mrenda]

Cheers for all that. It’s given me some thoughts for consideration.

And Scout, I know you can shoot low-sec people in low-sec. I was just saying that they can’t “shoot/hunt the next best target” because then they’d be going flashy red too.

Hopefully my main corp allows me to do this with an alt. It’d only be on our normal downtimes anyway. I am just a bit disappointed that I’m not an amazing industrialist so I can’t bankroll fleets of frigates for PVP. Still, building them, then losing them adds character. :)

Edit: You posted while I was typing. Yeah, I’m an ex-Unista myself. I’ll be pointing them towards the Uni’s resources.

[IainC]

Have about 30frigates, everybody with an MDW, make sure everybody has “keep at distance” to 50km and then pick your primary, as soon as somebody gets damage/targeted hit that button and they should MWD very fast away, if they notice no damage incoming, close in again, keep doing that till you down the first target, then go for the next.

This is a terrible tactic that will result in the deaths of all involved. Burning directly away from the target will result in zero transversal so that even slow-tracking battleship guns can keep you in the frame. You’ve also helped them to do more damage to you by ballooning your sig with the MWD. I have routinely popped interceptors with sniping Battleships that I had no business even hitting purely because their pilots didn’t understand the importance of transversal.

The best way to dismantle gate camps with small ships is to set up a series of tactical bookmarks around the gate at a decent range (>300km), warp everyone to one then warp to the gate at say 20, align to the opposite BM and shoot at stuff as you fly past. If anyone gets targeted, they hit their warp button and get out of Dodge. The FC fleet warps everyone to the exit BM once you’re starting to get out of range or if things are too hot, then warp to a different BM and repeat the process.

[Skipper]

Buceph, what race are they playing? I’m assuming they all rolled similarly if they have corped up this early.

[_scout]

…will result in the deaths of all involved. …

Oh man!

You spoiled it all ;)

[MrCoffee]

This is a terrible tactic that will result in the deaths of all involved. Burning directly away from the target will result in zero transversal so that even slow-tracking battleship guns can keep you in the frame. You’ve also helped them to do more damage to you by ballooning your sig with the MWD. I have routinely popped interceptors with sniping Battleships that I had no business even hitting purely because their pilots didn’t understand the importance of transversal.

The best way to dismantle gate camps with small ships is to set up a series of tactical bookmarks around the gate at a decent range (>300km), warp everyone to one then warp to the gate at say 20, align to the opposite BM and shoot at stuff as you fly past. If anyone gets targeted, they hit their warp button and get out of Dodge. The FC fleet warps everyone to the exit BM once you’re starting to get out of range or if things are too hot, then warp to a different BM and repeat the process.

That, and also i doubt a Battleship is going to engage a 30 man frigate fleet alone unless he is either stupid or you baited him with something juicy.

[Dave_Weinstein]

Oh man!

You spoiled it all ;)

I’m a pirate, and even I thought that was wrong.

[HighPlainsDrifter]

I need a bit of help. Over on the PC Gamer forums a new player to Eve has decided to start up a PCG Eve Corp. It has the backing of PCG, it has it’s own forums and there’s going to be space on a Teamspeak server. What I’m wondering is what is the best way of showing off Eve to some new players. I think at the moment it’s mostly a split of old alts and newbies. The new players ar fairly raw but dedicated gamers. They’re finding the forums a bit unhelpful and bewildering. They’re already planning a mining op. I said, if my current corp allows me to join my alt to the PCG one, that I’d FC a few roams. (I wouldn’t be up to anything bigger than a cruiser roam, just for the type of combat we’d encounter, so this small stuff suits me.) But what else can you do for new players in a group? What’s the best way of showing off Eve to the few trial accounts that’ll give Eve a go?

get a bunch of 10 hour heroes to bust up their mining op :p

[_scout]

I’m a pirate, and even I thought that was wrong.

Getting blown up is a very important part of Eve, the faster they learn that ships and clones are replaceable, the better ;).

I can recall that tactic being fairly successfull in an all out slasher gang
Ah here it is: http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7321

[Mrenda]

I may be a bit of a thicky when it comes to Eve, but tonight I realised I have learned a lot.

One of the nubs in the new PCG corp was complaining about it taking so long to get to a gate to jump. So I asked what was happening that made it take so long, while fearing the worst. He said that the drive to them was too long. He had been looking up what system he wanted to go to in the star-map (something I still don’t know how to do,) setting the destination and hitting auto-pilot. :)

It took a minute or two to get across not only what to do instead, but also why it was that way and autopilot didn’t just warp to zero. I used to think it was difficult for the Eve Uni newbies. But I realised they’ve figured out quite a lot to make it to the Uni.

Thank god they implented the “Align to” command or I’d be having nightmares.