I know a guy who works in the fraud benefit for housing benefit here. Its amazing the cheek of some of the scumbags who try to claim benefits they don’t need. What we need is a mandatory prison sentence for lying for the purposes of obtaining benefit.
At least the government seems to be serious about clamping down on people claiming ‘disability’ benefit. I’m sick of people who have a slightly dodgy leg and thus sit home all day ‘unable to work’. There’s nothing stopping them working from home, on the phone or at a PC.
The Daily mail is a rag, but there is a problem of ‘benefit culture’ in the UK, and to be honest, I am sick of paying for these peoples lives. I have claimed unemployment benefit for 8 months once, and it stunned me how few of the other unemployed people ever seemed to show any interest whatsoever in getting a job.
You know how we would rather let 10 guilty free than put 1 innocent in jail? I rather assume the numbers are reversed here, but quite frankly, I can live with a certain amount of abuse of the people, if it gives people who are motivated a leg up or makes sure they don’t crash too hard in difficult times. Because the fact that lazy people live better than animals does not impact my quality of life.
Well it does… because its your taxes paying for them. Frankly, I am not happy for my taxes to be spent on the idle. They should get their ass out of bed.
What he said.
The cost to society is so little compared to other government misspendings. The outrage is missplaced and as Mordrak quote shows, these people don’t get for free what other earn - they live on the edge and has to make do without a lot of things those of us with jobs take for granted, so if that’s their choice it’s a bad choice that hurt their kids, but not something that has any impact on our life at all.
And morons calling for forced sterilization of stupid people should just line up at the clinic to be first in line.
Hey my government as well as the EU gives money to independent game developers, I think they should just get of their arse and pitch their ideas to EA like the rest.
But the cost is so miniscule that there’s other things with a bigger priority for me.
Please, PLEASE, enlighten me on why I should care at all about people who make a deliberate choice to be a parasite to society, being both a drain on that society and taking welfare money intended for the unfortunate people who actually need and deserve it.
You can’t put these people to work because they will simply not do it. You can’t take their welfare away because then they turn to crime. So if you want a free check each month, fine. Also take a pill each month.
Yes and you’re a moron and trying to get the IQ level of any kid produced with your DNA just to average levels will be a economic drain on society. If you want to be a moron, fine. Also take a free pill each month.
When you have an actual point to make regarding actual facts - for instance, specifics about what is or is not true in the cited article - I do look forward to it.
Ooooh, nice job spinning it into a eugenetica debate. Too bad it’s not about that at all. I’m not calling for sterilization to eliminate some kind of stupid gene. This isn’t about nature, it’s about nurture. Taking any kids away at birth is fine be me as well except that this will actually cost more then what is gained ultimately.
Errr, that .2% seems really low to me. Like really low. I don’t have trouble buying that the UK is higher but I suspect someone is defining the terms in a way that isn’t immediately intuitive. That’s always a problem in discussing unemployment, because the media reports that quote the stats from various studies and put them in the public eye never bother to explain them well.
If removing welfare would cause them to turn to crime, isn’t it more cost effective to keep them on welfare. Since they would have to earn enough from crime to survive, and they do not earn that much more than that from welfare, and crime is probably a wealth distribution method with more overhead than taxation and welfare. And since they according to you nurture their brood into welfare recipients it also seems reasonable that they would nurture their brood into criminals. I imagine a substantial part of these people would rather turn criminal than agree too sterilisation. So it is my considered opinion that you be increasing the cost for society, as well as causing distress to the new victims of crime created. It also seems less likely that someone would be able to get themselves out of a life of crime compared to a life of wellfare dependancy.
The alternative would most likely be that they would burden their families, rather than get sterilised, I mean this is the approach most loafers take in societies were the state does not subsidise them. And I for one think it is a decent and humane thing for the state to help carry the burden of those families that are afflicted by loafers.
I wish I knew how you get £30k in benefits. Last time I tried I could claim£60 every two weeks hence ending up in massive debt by living off credit cards for 6 months. (surely I’ll get a job next week)
There are certainly people like this floating around and the worse kind who work and claim the benefits. The best thing to come out of thread is that headline generator though.
When it comes to benefits part of me does come over all daily mail. For more than basic subsistence money you should perhaps have to fill the gaps cleaning hospital wards or police stations or something. But when all is said and done, previous experience and scrotes on the fiddle not widthstanding, I’d mud rather we had the council housing and benefits for the vast majority of honest people that need them than not.
Society has always had people who cannot or will not work.
But robbing them of all security and hope has massive negative ramifications for our society.
There are also people who would gladly work but can’t.
Why is the idea of creating a societal floor so terrifying to some people? If they want to live on the bottom, why is that so bad if it minimizes crime and disease?
I hear you on not wanting them to add to that burden, but I don’t think that it’s going to be as easy as you think.
