Is it though? Is Jesus arguing that we should all be paid the same regardless of the amount of work we do?
Or it is a discussion of how heaven is for all, regardless of the amount you labor?
No, you clearly didn’t read it. You just wrote down what is in your own head. So there’s no point in responding further to you.
Continue arguing with imaginary boogeymen. There’s no point in talking to someone who is talking to himself. It’s a waste of time.
Then you are very bad at communicating.
It not only makes sense but it has to be this way.
Because he’s not talking about manual labor, he’s talking about the Kingdom of Heaven. And there’s is only one reward that he offers, entry into the Kingdom.
So Jesus is passing out “denarii” and some complain “look at how hard I worked to get here! Shouldn’t I come before them?” And Jesus is saying basically since I (Jesus) make the rules I don’t have to value longer work over harder work, if you have done what I have asked you get in, so you get in and he gets in and she gets in and
But of course if it didn’t work this way imagine the tangled problems this causes.
It reminds me of the Donatist problem.
Does it though? I mean, he doesn’t actually make it clear that he is talking about the kingdom of heaven in the piece, although one can infer that, because of the sections before that.
Perhaps he is making the statement that we should all be paid the same, and not be worried about what other people are being paid.
Maybe this parable could be applied to how we live life on Earth, and how we have been all doing it wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time we got something Jesus said mixed up. Look at the whole concept of the Eye of the Needle. Some people believe it refers to a smaller gate that cities and towns used, (to rationalize that wealth is okay) but there is no such thing as a Needle, as referencing a smaller gate.
I mean is it ambiguous? KJV
For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
I mean i can’t imagine it not meaning as i interpreted it above.
But again, it’s parable, so it should be a message of how we live life on Earth.
But it specifically says Kingdom of Heaven.
Now if your take is the KoH is on earth ok, yea different conversation!
That isn’t what defines a parable.
This seem to mean that you pay what people need, on Earth, as in Heaven.
So, it isn’t references only grace and getting into heaven, but also labor itself. It’s an argument for a living wage.
Can you direct link me where you’re reading that? This is different than what i’m pulling up.
In this case, I got lazy and just quote Wikipedia.
But hey, despite being lazy, I still get to go to heaven! I guess that would make some people angry though.
Jesus must be Gen X then. Gen X make the best pearly-gatekeepers. “Eh, dude, sure!”
“It’s all good man!”
Anyway, the worst is, what won’t God forgive? I mean, the interpretation I have heard is that god doesn’t judge the level of sin, just that we all have sinned, and that through Jesus Christ, we have been given grace and can enter heaven. Which means, on some level, Hitler could be in heaven if he accepted Jesus into his soul.
Although, then you have to wonder, how can you murder millions and still accept Jesus into your life? Maybe you can’t?
But then, you wonder, well, what sins can you committe and still be considered to have accepted Jesus.
Christianity is at it’s toughest when you realize that people you think are bad might still get into heaven, because Grace is for all of us.
When I show up at the Pearly Gates and the gatekeeper asks “What are your sins, my son?” and I answer with a shit-eating grin “Loving Jesus too much!”, I’m pretty sure i’m not getting in.
I am pretty sure you are. If you worried, I can add you to the list of random things I pray for, like stop global warming, hope people have a good day, find a quarter on the street. That kind of stuff.
It’s a good thing the Fed has been creating money out of thin air for decades, then. While pardoning would have a lot of issues, that isn’t one.
Private debt isn’t going to away anywhere without radical measures, and I hope your country leads the way, because it ain’t going to start here.
Nah, the toughest is realizing all the best composers are in hell and all that you’ll hear for eternity is church music. For real, though, the toughest for me to accept (as an atheist) is why he thought humanity was a good idea. If this is His image, thanks, I hate it.
If they still want me after a bad joke like that, all i can say is challenge accepted.
It’s ok, there is no trolling in heaven.
Hey, @SlyFrog
Dude. You’re being a massive asshole in this thread.
We’ve all worked hard. Some of us have been lucky enough to come out ahead. A lot of others have not.
If you’re in your (numbers courtesy of my ass) mid-40s and have paid off your student debt, paid off a decent chunk of your house, have a career, have a retirement fund –
– please understand that nobody in the whole world gives a single tiny shit about the relative level of pain in your well-pampered tushy.
Dude. You’re doing great. Enjoy your security without being mad about the downtrodden masses trying to soften the boots stamping on their faces.
