Ridiculous, on its face. Why even say things like this?
Thanks for letting me know I’m doing great. I’m glad you know how well I’m doing. My circumstances conpared to everyone else.
Pedantic nerdery ahead. Be ye forewarned.
I strongly recommend not referencing the KJV unless you’re just looking for poetic Shakespearean language. It’s a mediocre translation from a flawed textual source. If you like the language style, NKJV is better, but still problematic in its interpretations. NIV and NSRV are much better in all respects.
Note that I am not making any statement or claims about your interpretation of the parable. No bloody way am I going to weigh in on that. ;)
Call someone an asshole, then condescend to know the life circumstances of someone you’ve never met. Then be surprised when called out on it.
Yeah, I’m the one who’s condescending here.
Yes, you are the terribly persecuted and maligned waif here. It’s only because we all independently are a bunch of jealous red assholes that you’re getting railed here.
Oh hoh! I see your edit happening. No, I don’t think it’s because “ur stupid lol” or whatever cross you’re trying to drag up in here that I’m taking shot at you. It’s because you’re being an asshole.
It’s not that I don’t care about your circumstances. It’s that you clearly don’t care about mine.
You paid off your loans? Congrats. You are obviously in a vastly better situation than everyone else in (your? our?) generation. I would be planning my retirement now if I weren’t staring down yet another $40k in student debt. In my late 30s. But I’m sure I’m the iPhone-toting shrimp-eating HDTV-owning villain in your story, so have fun with that.
I think you (we?) can agree to disagree about the justice of fixing student debt without such strong invective. If he has had to completely rearrange his life - something he hinted at - in order to pay off student loans, i’m sure he feels pretty bitter about having his whole life wrecked by them only for the next generation to “get off scot free”.
I think the better way of looking at it is more as a “malus” than a benefit. In other words SlyFrog (and us) grew up in the time of snake oil and student loans. You don’t say just because all your hair fell out we should get rid of the FDA because i had to learn the hard way about fake medicine, and when the cost of education is nonsensical and unsustainable - much like the cost of medical treatment - when we fix that imbalance there are going to be people on one side of the line who “win” and people on the other who missed out. What about that bllionaire that paid off everyone’s student loans at his alma mater? Think about the kids who accepted to go there in the fall but missed attendance by one semester? What about the kids that graduated one semester too soon?
I mean on a smaller scale i missed that tax credit for first time home buyers in 2007-2008 by months. If you think of student loans as an injustice rather than an opportunity i think (hope) Sly and ya’ll can meet in the middle and see each other’s perspectives.
Timex
2922
Yes, because I would be literally giving you my money.
That being said, I actually do give my money to less fortunate people.
That’s actually not true, from a purely logical perspective.
Err… are you yelling at me for not answering some question you asked, before you finished your post?
How would I have answered a question that you asked in the middle of your post, prior to you posting it? What are you talking about?
Lots of people are given free food. As a society, we generally think that’s beneficial.
The invective here is entirely justified.
If you were in the mid90s- your student loan debt is a lot lower and your opportunities higher than the folks of today.
I had to do some nasty things to get out of my debt, I’m still paying for those things today- because of the sacrifices I had to make, I’ll never have a family, and I’ll likely die alone. I’ve still got it better than most.
I must be missing something. If we the American taxpayer spend $1.5 trillion (a lot of money) to pay of student debts, isn’t obvious that means some combination of lower governmental benefit and higher taxes that will affect @SlyFrog (and everyone else).
Has everybody on QT3, even Timex, become a worshiper of MMT and believing the government spending has no cost?
But even if the 1.5 trillion was a gift from Putin to Americans with college loans, SlyFrog would be worse off because he is competing with a group of people who got a bonus of $1.5 trillion. That additional money in the system will cause inflation.
magnet
2925
I guess if you wanted to be perfectly fair, then the government would only pay off the average increase in tuition from a generation ago to today (adjusted for general inflation or whatever).
Thus everyone would pay the same amount for their education, regardless of age.
Alstein
2926
Small inflation, but only as a side effect of a larger monetary velocity impact.
You’d get a massive growth and job creation from the increased spending.
Perhaps, although you are starting to sound like the Republican about the benefits of their tax plan.
But even so how does massive growth and job creation help @SlyFrog, he already has a job he doesn’t need one?.
magnet
2928
Job creation helps everyone. Those without jobs are more likely to find one, those with jobs are less likely to lose them.
Still, if economic stimulus is the main goal (as opposed to targeted relief) then I think there are better ways to accomplish it. Namely, means-tested handouts to everyone, not just those with college degrees.
Tim_N
2929
You guys should just adopt a system similar to Australias: students can take a loan out from the government for the course fees. Loans don’t attract any interest, but are indexed by CPI every year. The government determines how much money is taken out a year from your market salary (when employed) to pay back a portion of the principal.
For living expenses and accommodation etc., students can get an allowance from the government as they study, although it is set low enough that you’d really want to be working part time while studying (or getting help from your parents) but it does help alot.
How? Other people buying stuff instead of giving it to lenders doesn’t hurt him (or anyone else) in the slightest.
The case hasn’t been made that forgiving student debt does anyone any “harm.” Stating it as fact doesn’t make it so. The attitude that it’s “not fair” and “waah, they can buy stuff at a younger age than I could so I’m at a disadvantage!” (lol) isn’t much different from “if gay people get married my marriage is harmed” or “other people being equal take away my power.” It’s just American assholism at its finest.
US GDP is 19 trillion dollars. We spend 1.5 trillion in a handful of years on useless military hardware or tax cuts for people who are already rich. That money is better spent helping people.
She’s using new revenues to pay for it.
Alstein
2932
That’s trickle-down. This is trickle-up. Trickle-up actually works because the money isn’t saved.
Banzai
2933
Seems like an issue that some people are going to get upset about, and other people are going to call them assholes. Which means Trump will exploit it on Fox every day for the next 500 days to make one group of americans hate another group, just like the GOP have done for decades.
I’m in favor of helping people get out of unreasonable student loan debt. I had over 280k when I finished, down to about 160k now, and I’d appreciate the help, but I wouldn’t feel cheated if I paid it off and then a big payout happened. I also wouldn’t feel bad if everyone over the age of 18 got a lower payout to use as they wish, which could of course include their student loans. It’d be a heck of a stimulus package, but it does have potential to be divisive and we’d be fools to think the GOP won’t use any wedge they can to make everyone below the 0.001% hate each other.
