Odd how the party of Lincoln is such a fan of the Confederacy he devoted his presidency (ultimately at the cost of his own life) to destroying, isn’t it?

Odd indeed. It’s almost as though there had been a certain political realignment during the second half of the last century. Hmm.

It’s only acceptable trashing liberal voters. Get with the times bro.
/s

Anyway.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/07/20/its-2019-time-to-stop-making-excuses-for-trump-supporters/

But if you still back Trump now, in July of 2019, knowing who and what he is, what kind of people you’re aligned with, that’s not on anyone else. That’s on you . You’re responsible for every ugly word out of his mouth, and out of the mouths of all the Republican politicians protecting him. You have to own that. Your motives don’t matter.

Very true.

But it is worth pointing out that here in deep red country, back in 16 there was a big campaign sign at a main intersection: “Trump sucks less.” Broadly popular. Which is to say that there are a whole lot of people who dislike Dems a lot more than they like the Dump.

There are a few houses around the county with Trump 2020 flags out, and at least some also fly confederate flags. But that is good for us, because even around here it reminds the “squishy” that they are consorting with people that they think poorly of.

There are also a fair number of pro-Trump signs referring to themselves as “deplorables.” That’s the thing that has traction, the idea that Trump is on their side against people who feel they are deeply inferior and even deserve to be obliterated. In this, I see a parallel to inner city blacks. Groups who are really up against it economically and socially, and whose cultures do not seem all that likely that the next generation will be able to adapt and prosper… but certain to turn with a vengeance upon any outsider with the temerity to criticize.

With the result that when someone comes along and makes a big deal out of the small number of Confederate flags and such, and turns that into a generality about the motives of most, well, they become so extremely anti-Dem that they are sure to turn out to vote for Dump.

I’m old enough to remember when the presidents Republicans were most proud of were Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Eisenhower. The modern GOP would disapprove of all three. (Well, I guess they’d approve of TR’s causal racism. But they’d call his economic policies socialism.)

You don’t have to go that far back. I have at least two relatives who now hate Reagan for being ‘too soft’ on illegal immigrants. The GOP’s clearly the party of Trump these days. All previous repubs were RINOs.

Yeah, it’s weird how when presented with Reagan’s statements on immigrants, instead of making that question the crap that Trump was saying, they simply decided that Reagan was bad. Despite previously deifying him.

Interesting note from Mark Murray at NBC just now:

If Warren or Sanders is the Democratic nominee (and both have a good puncher’s chance at this point!) then it’s very possible that Dems could lose a seat in the senate for a brief period, because Vermont and Massachusetts have Republican (if pretty centrist and popular) governors who’ll appoint their successors until a special election can be held.

For Massachusetts, it’d be about 3-4 months.
For Vermont, 6 months.

You read the comments.

Never read the comments.

Trump’s Tweets are usually the exception to that rule because the replies are generally folks savaging him mercilessly. It’s validating to read that there are more people who see right through his bullshit than there are mindless cultists. Now let’s hope they all vote

Aye. And there is the rub.

lol I remember playing softball back in that era with guys who definitely thought Reagan was too liberal. And a big part of it was immigration.

But, at least to me, the history is interesting. The Reagan administration made a deal whereby existing undocumented people would be dealt with leniently, in exchange for a border crackdown going forward. And the GOP really did doublecross the border crackdown wing of the GOP. Of course. Because the real power of the GOP was always the group that employed undocumented workers, because they are so cheap and compliant, and costs could be sloughed off on government. (People I know very well in this county were that kind of Republican, and no matter the public rhetoric, they never worried that their supply of labor would be cut off. They know it was all a game.) All while telling their cultural conservatives that they were on their side, and the problems were all the fault of pinko liberals.

This worked fine until the internet. Which begat the Tea Party, which was basically an alliance of Republicans who were sick of being defrauded by their leaders. Since these junior members of the GOP alliance thought of themselves as the real Republicans, we got the term RINO.

Ever since, the dominant Republicans have been struggling to keep control of their party. Their go-to strategy is to double down on the old strategy of cultural conservative rhetoric, because otherwise those people were going to rebel. (It is easy to forget that back in '16, pundits seriously doubted that the GOP could find a candidate to satisfy both wings of the party.) Really, Dump won the nomination mostly by being more credible in his cultural conservative rhetoric than his competitors such as Cruz or Rubio or Bush. And he has been sly enough to keep that turned up high, even as his main real accomplishment has been… lower taxes for the same old power group of the GOP.

Really, and I know this puts me at odds with most people here, I have more sympathy with that angry base than I do with the so-called moderates or RINOs. The moderates were serial swindlers, particularly within their own tent, and their goal was always to keep all the nation’s wealth and power for themselves.

That angry base believed something I don’t, namely that too much/unregulated immigration is a bad thing. But they played by our nation’s rules, elected people who said they would support them, got the laws passed… and watched as the laws were ignored, by their own party, who simply diverted the blame onto liberals. Making them furious and distrust the entire idea of government and rule of law. Yeah, they have racists in their group, but nowhere near all of them are racists. Dump may be infinitely worse than Bush, but my anti-immigration neighbors are most definitely not as objectionable as the respectable county leaders who have never, for an instant, given up on the idea that undocumented workers need to be kept numerous and also in constant legal jeopardy.

Most of the group you are describing, if not all of them, are in fact racists.

They’re the “Paleoconservatives”. They are led by people like Pat Buchannan. At their heart, those people absolutely are racists and xenophobes.

Are you sure?
Because once you dig into what the ultimate basis for their anti-immigration stance is? You’re gonna find there’s nothing good in there. They may try to play it off as being based on some kind of rule of law, or suggestion that it’ hurts immigrants who make the hard trek here, or any of a number of other entirely bullshit reasons… but the real cause, the one that’s down there at the core, after you strip everything else away?

They don’t like immigrants because they don’t like people that are different from themselves. They feel that those people are trying to steal something from them. That they are going to somehow take America away from them.

When in reality, it’s their own xenophobia and racism that is antithetical to the true principles that make America great.

I seriously don’t understand why the Dems aren’t pushing even harder on legalization of weed. That is a winning issue.

Yes it is, and yes they should.

@Gordon_Cameron

Progress! (CBS poll of early states)
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Kamala Harris, you want to mitigate the prosecutor knock? That’s how you do it.

They may be putting it out there too soon, though. If they want to keep the younger voter engaged, they should hold off introducing it until they have a final candidate. That candidate (assuming they are currently in the House or Senate) can then introduce the measure.

So much important shit happening and she’s pandering to losers. Sigh.

72% of 18-35 year-olds support legalization. 72% of all Democrats also support it. Criminalization of the stuff predominantly affects communities of color. 10 states, including the entire west coast, already permit full legal recreational use of it. It’s not a huge issue for anyone, but 1/4 of Democrats and Independents say it boosts their support for a candidate. It’s an easy not very controversial issue that boosts support among demographic groups that usually have trouble turning out for elections. A no brainer, really.

(Source for stats)