I’m Team Warren 4 Lyfe but man, I like dogs as long as they’re someone else’s and I don’t have to deal with their shit (literally and figuratively). I already have a full time job, thanks, and these games in my backlog aren’t gonna play themselves, not will shows and movies watch themselves etc.
I haven’t been following the thread recently, but I gather that Warren’s had a bit of a comeback, to where she’s in second place after “old AF” Biden. On FiveThirtyEight’s politics podcast they talked about it today and her main problem seems to be a lack of interest/support from black voters. Honestly I don’t get why said voters are so enamored of Biden, apart from the fact that he was Obama’s VP.
I wish 538 would do some in-depth study of black attitudes towards Warren and Buttigieg. Whether opposition is hard or soft. Whether it is largely a matter of contrasting high familiarity with Obama’s VP versus little knowns. Whether this is really a black thing, or whether the less educated and less prosperous two thirds of the party generally feels this way.
Because I do not want a candidate that a big segment of the party has strong objections to, but I have no problem supporting one that so far is just little known to people who are not political junkies.
He tested his cyanide on her. His main concern was that it would work on him, not Blondi’s welfare.
There will be at least 10 Dem candidates in the next debate. Sigh.
I also would love 538 or somebody else to a deeper dive into the issue.
As several places (including 538) have pointed out Africa American Democrats are more moderate than White Democrats and more pragmatic. i.e. whoever has the best shot of getting Trump out of office is who we will support. In that respect Joe Biden looks better than either Warren or Buttigieg.
Another in the NPR politics candidate interview series: Yang.
I like the idea of a President who can do math! Though I suspect his electoral math just won’t add up, sadly.
I just hope they split it into two nights then. 5 on stage at one time sounds about right to me.
LockerK
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Yea, this early on 10 doesn’t seem egregious but the bottom 5 on that list need to be kicked to the curb by the holidays. Sorry Beto, now go campaign for Senate.
Alstein
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It’s the same issue Bernie had. Ironically, Bernie is getting that support 4 years too late to make use of it, as white progressives are the ones tired of Bernie.
It’s an old black churchlady thing. They’re Boomers too. The black churches dominate the Dem primary, and it’s kinda like machine politics.
I think Yang has some interesting ideas like UBI.
But from now I’m only voting for President who has a spent a minimum of 4 years in reasonably high political office. Or oversaw a large multi-national military operation that involved liberating a country. (i.e. Ike or Colin Powell)
Tim_N
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It’s reassuring to me that someone balked at Strollen’s line within two minutes of him posting it!
Seriously, Colin Powell as a President is a Yikes?! Why?
It is really sad the level of prejudice that’s shown on P&R
Tim_N
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Well, for me personally, it wasn’t so much the suggestion of Colin Powell (I would take him over Trump or Bush II) but this line: “Or oversaw a large multi-national military operation that involved liberating a country.”
Direct involvement with the Iraq war would be a red flag for me as a U.S. voter (which I am not) when selecting from a range of candidates, not a positive. I guess we would have wildly divergent views about the war generally.
Powell was involved in Desert Storm, which liberated Kuwait from Iraqi invasion, not the other Iraq war (other than selling it to the UN). Not sure if that makes a difference, but I wasn’t sure from your post what you meant.
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Oh that’s what @Strollen was referring to? That makes more sense. Nonetheless, my understanding was he was involved in lying to/coercing/persuading allies to join the Iraq War in more ways than just the UN speech. He gets alot of press for being the ‘moderate’ at the time, but at the end of the day he still sold his soul to Bush II, and his moderate credibility only made it more convincing when he did go to the dark side. Ah well, bigger fish to fry etc…
Yup that’s right. Eisenhower got a fair amount of criticism for being a political general. But, I (and Ambrose his biographer) believe that the political experience was quite beneficial for his Presidency. All things considered, I’d rather have governor become President than any other job, but the type of political skill that both Powell and Ike demonstrated is a pretty good substitution, for political executive experience.
A CEO, or a normal general are in a situation where they can order people to do things. As Trump should have learned the hard way Presidents can’t always do that.
Powell placed his full credibility behind a direct lie in order to start a strategically disastrous war.
I’m really having trouble thinking of a more broken public figure that you could run for President. Please staaap.
