Oh, man, I already knew Tulsi Gabbard was a fucking joke, and I only knew about 10% off that stuff!
-Tom
Repeating stuff from other threads here so apologies if you’ve seen before. Gabbards support base is an odd mix of anti-Imperialists and hard left revolutionaries and hard right and far right because of things like this.
Gabbard’s left leaning faction is part of the US faction over here represented by STWC. This rhetoric from them is familar if you’ve ever argued with Gabbard supporters or come across their socmedia bases. I got myself banned from /r/Tulsi for arguing with someone probably from in St Petersburg and none of his and his buddies lines were any different to those in the same factions in UK politics. I was just repeating the same old arguments Ive been having for years.
Oh and the reason i always use “STWC” instead of “Stop the War Coalition” is they arent interested in stopping wars at all. Here their support of the ISIS Bataclan attackers causes one of their founders to leave. STWC and their people love Gabbard, which should be warning enough alone.
KevinC
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What does being a soldier or congresswoman have to do with it? Are current or former soldiers immune to corruption? Are members of Congress?
And she very well may be an idealist, it’s just her ideals apparently align with Assad and the Kremlin in a lot of cases.
Timex
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Gabbard is quite literally a Russian asset. I’m certain that she is being directly manipulated, almost certainly knowingly, by Russians.
I fall more into the “useful idiot” camp myself - people will do surprisingly idiotic things if you shower them with attention and money. Sometime Gabbard publicist Chris Cooper, however …
Info on Browder here. Info on Cooper here. (It’s not clear whether Cooper still does work for Gabbard. I’m also not clear on what the “Hawaii Free Press” is, other than what’s on their website: “The Hawaii Free Press is an independent, locally-owned on-line newspaper covering political, social, cultural, and economic issues from local to international. Hawaii Free Press brings out points of view based on free enterprise, small government, and individual liberty as a counterpoint to what is presented in the rest of Hawai`i print and television media.”)
Last night I had dinner with one of the guys who was high up on her original Congressional campaign. I can confirm that most of the points in the Reddit are true, that ones we didn’t discuss are the Hindu Nationalist, of the cult of Science of Identity. My friend does think that Hillary’s charges of her being a Russian agent were ridiculous.
Harlon razor. “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
I think the vast majority of young people who go in the military and public service actually have a desire to do good things for the country, and aren’t sleeper cells like the Americans
By far a more logical explanation than she is on the payroll of the Russisan, is that she share her father affinity to wacky conspiracy theories and isolationism and her time oversea caused her to become very suspicious of government reports. As mixed race women was raised by guy, who is more of Trump Republican than traditional Republican, including strong opposition Gay marriage, she was around all kinds of bizarre beliefs. Most of which were very unpopular in the state. Her dad a state legislator , and former city councilmen is a piece of work. The fact that she was vice chair of the DNC when there was in fact a conspiracy to throw the election to Hillary probably contributed to her wacky beliefs.
Trust me, I think she is moving into the Michelle Bachman level of bat shit crazy. But I’ve not seen any actual evidence that she works for the Russians. Where is it?. Considering we have a guy on the forum, who also parrots Putin and Assad, who also served in the military at the same time as Tulsi did, i think it far more likely that she and IL came across the same pro Putin propaganda. Maybe they targeted the military?..
Possibly, but the phrase “unwitting agent” also exists for a reason. No reason to assume a handshake with Putin or anything.
Oh I agree, I called her a useful fool several days ago. I wouldn’t make a big deal of it, but it seems like that Trump, or at least his inner circle actually has had handshakes with Russians
ShivaX
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Odds are we wouldn’t because we wouldn’t have clearance.
I couldn’t prove that Rand Paul is a Russian agent in a court of law either, but that doesn’t change my view that he is one.
RichVR
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I believe that she has always been. But she wasn’t in the spotlight. Now she is. Shine a light on a cockroach and watch it freak out.
Warren with an impressive turnout in Iowa on a Sunday night tonight. Also announced at her rally that she’s hit 2 million individual donors, the second Democrat to hit that plateau, after Bernie.
I really think she needs at least a 2nd place, if not win in Iowa, because she’s likely to lose in New Hampshire and South Carolina both.
About as useful as the numbers quoted. I’m not going to waste time digging into that website to figure out what the basis of their numbers are, but even a cursory glance through actual Swedish statistics will show them up as inaccurate. I did link you the official national statistics bureaus of Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, which provide the most accurate numbers (for the simple reason that they have the best access to the data in the world). Again, the per capita of Scandinavia is not equivalent to California - it is lower than that of the US, so I don’t get where those numbers come from either.
Though I guess it’s not relevant to the argument, because your argument against education now seems to be that too much of US education is a waste.
Flippant answer: If the US population was better educated, maybe you wouldn’t have elected Trump.
Serious answer: I was going to write a long comment here about my time at a US tech firm, and how few of the people working there were actually American. But all of it really boils down to this: every other country in the world is focused on improving the educational level of its people, because the demand for people with higher education is insatiable. You apparently think that Americans should be less educated. That’s certainly a policy standpoint, but not one that I doubt will work out well for the US in the long run especially as the benefits of working in the US vs other places in the world become increasingly eroded (even without the disastrous immigration policies of DJT).
Have looked up a number of articles during this discussion, and frankly, it seems to me the US uni/college system is in a worse situation than I thought it was beforehand. I’m not surprised this is something Warren wants to try and fix. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that.
Re: Tulsi, there’s a saying: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is one. Though I really don’t see what it matters whether she is actually being paid by the Russians or is simply acting on their behalf and profiting from their support - just like it really matters whether Trump is a Russian stooge or merely an idiot. The people who die as a result of Russian/Syrian malevolence, don’t much care whether it came about as a result of profiteering or stupidity, and the damage done to your country is the same. Someone so utterly devoid of good judgement really shouldn’t be elected by a sensible polity.
Menzo
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I don’t think that’s what anyone is saying. I don’t think it’s controversial at all to suggest that not everyone in America needs to get a college degree. There are many other types of education, including vocational and mentorships, that are better suited for some and don’t result in them ending up with $100k+ in debt.
I’m not sure what country you reside in, but it’s very likely it already has programs like that for people who want to become HVAC professionals, plumbers, maintenance workers, shopkeepers, auto mechanics, etc. Or do they all get college degrees in your country, too?
Of course, being 100,000+ in debt isnt really necessary either, if college was made affordable, or free.
Menzo
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No doubt. Which is why I hope we see a more comprehensive solution offered that includes debt-free college for those who can’t afford it, and the creation of more vocational schools for folks who don’t want to go to college, also debt-free. This could also help alleviate the inevitable crowding that we’d end up seeing.
Er, speaking of Machiavelli, and slightly off-topic, but all the political folk frequent this thread, so I’ll get sme good advice…
My wife is reading The Prince at the moment. Any thoughts on any decent dissection works to accompany after she has finished? There must be a million examinations of the work, so I’d appreciate any recommendations.
Yup, that shit started with Gingrich and DeLay back in the early 1990s.
It certainly sounds that way. But no, it’s not controversial to suggest that not everyone should have a college degree - though we’re still pretty far from that being an actual - rather than imaginary - problem.
It also shouldn’t be controversial (though apparently, that is the case from the US point of view), to suggest that the decider for who gets a college degree and who doesn’t, should be dependent on merit, rather than how much money or athletic ability your parents/you have.
Sadly no, but keep in the ‘The Prince’ was written after he was fired. There are so that argue that it’s actually a piece of satire.
