6213

Yes, TriCare for all would be more aligned with what the people actually expect.

Their population is significantly smaller, but the age ranges are there as are the larger variety of needs. Medicaid has that too but… ick Medicaid, so it also has the services/coverage that people would expect.

Maybe I am reading our population wrong, but TriCare for all, would that statement actually anger those connected to the military?

6214

I don’t know a lot about Tricare, but isn’t the network of providers quite small? Obviously Medicare for all would require adding doctors like pediatricians and obstetrician, but it is already a pretty huge network.

6215

It’s not one I am hugely familiar with due to location, but I think there are two options, one is an HMO which by nature should be pretty closed. The other is a Select which I thought was more like a PPO, so preferred but not a closed system.

I mean insurance coverage, as mentioned above, is only like a quarter of the step to addressing healthcare as an issue which is not, as also mentioned above, an insurance issue even though politicians talk like it’s just about insurance.

6216

TriCare is managed a lot like an HMO. You have a primary care provider, who is usually an in-house (military) doctor, and a limited selection of in-house specialists. But, as with an HMO, you can get referred to an off-base specialist or, if you’re stationed in an area without a military medical facility close by, can have all of your visits be “out of network.” Military members kvetch about the quality of care, but in my experience, no more than anyone does… and the one thing they don’t complain about is the price.

6217

Discourse needs an option to temporarily untrack threads. Isn’t there a whole beautiful thread dedicated to discussing healthcare?

6218

True, but the persistence and recurrence of health care in this thread does show what a big issue health care is for the 2020 election, and this specific digression arose out of an article by Rahm Emanuel trying to minimize health care as an issue.

There is one way in which Emanual had a point: the differences between Dems on health care are actually quite small compared to the vast guld between the Dems and the GOP. Here’s a Vox article on the glaring differences.

Here’s a quote that sums things up: “Democrats are debating whether to have the federal government provide health insurance to every American or just to many more of them than it does now. Republicans want to shrink both the federal government’s obligation to ensure coverage and its spending to support it.”

So in that context, I feel like a substantive discussion of Dem health care plans is perfectly apropos for a 2020 election thread, there will be time near the end of the primaries and after the primaries for the discussion to move on from the intra-Dem disputes to highlighting the differences between Dems and GOP. (Although I do think too much intra-Dem fighting on this issue can descend into a circular firing squad; it’s a good idea to keep at least some focus on the real opponents here.)

6219

I thought about suggesting moving to the healthcare debate, but fundamentally I think @Sharpe is right. It is a very important issue for a Democratic primary, as are discussions of college loans and foreign policy. It is seems likely that my primary vote will between Warren and Biden and since my #1 criteria will be who is the most likely to beat Trump, it is helpful to have all the debate in one place. Not only on the pros and cons of the specific proposals but also on the political implications.

If I can be convinced that MFA plays politically better than MFAWWI that would be factor in voting or Warren over Biden.

6220

Trump does seem overly eager to try and get rid of Biden. I mean very heavy handed to remove him fro the race. It’s not really going to be deciding factor though at this rate. Trumps ads are doing what he does best playing to his base which are not the voters the Dems are playing for.

I think Biden comes off… very poorly in a number of situations, but when it comes to Healthcare, almost any Democrat is at least wiling to have the discussion.

I am not sure if the GOP are still saying they’re gunning for Medicare and Caid, but regardless of what they’re saying, they definitely are.

6221

Trump does seem overly eager to try and get rid of Biden.

I think it’s because Biden is so vulnerable to attack. More than anything else. Biden is not a smart man, and then you have his son profiting off the family name.

6222

Its almost like you took all the worst qualities of Trump, lessened them by a lot, and then you have Trump. A less stupid, less evil, less selfish version of Trump. Also, better looking.

6223

Unlike the Trumps, oh wait they’ve been doing that since they were born and now are using the office of the President to do it more.

That line of attack only works for the dumbest sycophants and literally anything works for them so who cares?

6224

I don’t think Biden will make it to January. The attack wounded him, he’s been irresponsible with his spending, the private jets, and fundraising totals have plummeted which indicates that donors have lost confidence in him.

And he’s not a particularly good politician in the first place. He can’t think on his feet, he’s not smart enough, and he continues to make tone deaf comments which get him into trouble.

Then there’s the question of what primary voters want, do they want a moderate?

6225

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6226

HAHAHAHA

6227

Jesus.

6228

Biden sells himself as a saint. So corruption charges are highly problematic.

Trump doesn’t make any such claims, and so those allegations really don’t hurt him very much.

6229

DJT is a complete piece of shit, so nothing matters. Got it.

6230

Here’s how you shut down lying, intellectually dishonest nonsense on the internet: numbers.

6231

It’s really sad.

6232

I’ve heard Incendiary Lemon really likes goats. Like REALLY likes em. You know what I mean? Everyone talks about it. Someone should look into that.