Yeah, it’s not me that is being patronizing and condescending, it’s those sneering elite coastal liberals who know nothing about other people being patronizing and condescending!
Granting this premise:
One of those groups needs to try to win over the other, and not the other way around.
Timex
6395
Here’s the transcript of the piece I mentioned.
KEITH BOYKIN, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I agree with what Bakari said and what Hilary said. I just think that the important part here is that Iowa is not representative of the rest of the country. It is not a representative of the Democratic Party.
Yes, it’s an important state, it’s the first state, and it’s a good opportunity for Amy Klobuchar, it’s a good opportunity for Pete Buttigieg, but you got to be able to expand your base beyond that in order to win the primary and the Democratic Party.
LEMON: Thank you all. I appreciate it.
ROSEN: The three of us rather get rid of Iowa –
(LAUGHTER)
ROSEN: Really. Let’s just admit.
SELLERS: Oh, I got to leave Iowa before you say that, Hilary. I got to get out of here first.
(LAUGHTER) LEMON: Thank you guys. Have a great weekend. Don’t enjoy yourself too much, Bakari. I’m going to be checking on you. What’s going on with Rudy Giuliani? My next guest talked to people close to the former New York City mayor about what’s behind his erratic behavior.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1911/01/cnnt.02.html
CraigM
6396
I think Scott was deploying a rather large dose of satirical irony.
Did they say that because they hate Iowa or because they are tired of Iowa having outsized influence in the primary process?
SlyFrog
6398
I mean it was basically, “No, you are.” Which most people try to leave behind around middle school.
But again, we know that we’re not supposed to listen to peoples’ complaints about mansplaining, condescension, etc. Fuck them, they’re just imagining it. And I mean, they’re making up this large group of “men” who supposedly do it. I don’t do it. So it’s not real.
magnet
6399
If Warren is polling poorly much worse than Biden simply because they prefer white males, then why is Sanders also polling much worse than Biden?
Surely Sanders and Warren must have something in common in the eyes of Wisconsin suburbanites. I wonder what it could be.
Yes, he was.
But in that satiric hyperbole is the premise to consider nonetheless: center-right, once-Obama voters in Wisconsin and Michigan can dismiss progressives and walk away from the social interaction entirely and revel in status quo, even if that’s headed for extremely suboptimal outcomes for persons of that description.
Progressives interested in nominating Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren cannot.
Timex
6401
That’s the transcript, that’s all that’s there.
However, even in that part of it, they are explicitly saying that Iowa isn’t representative of the Democratic party. As though they aren’t “real” Democrats.
And these are the Democrats there, not even the overall Iowan population, which presumably they care even less about.
Again, make no mistake, I’ve personally said that i don’t give a shit about Iowa, here.
But i can see someone from iowa seeing that and being kind of pissed.
Not just politics, my favorite boss’s saying for marketing was that perception= reality.
Because it isn’t simply a preference for white males?
Right, so the more conservative, less progressive anti-socialist midwesterners prefer the male because…he’s more socialist?
Sure, but I don’t know what that means. If Wisconsin Dems want the (first) man with the (second) more conservative platform, that’s what they want. What are progressives supposed to do other than try to talk them out of it, which Sanders and Warren will certainly try to do?
Oh, I’m listening. I just think a complaint like “all you sneering coastal liberal elites” as an objection to unfair generalizations is, well, genuinely funny and worthy of note.
We really need to stop justifying lousy behavior just because Trump and the sycophants at Fox do it. I’d even say that goes for Republican in general, but that probably won’t fly. So how about if Republican or Fox did something pre-2016 its fair game.
magnet
6406
Or maybe they prefer candidates with more experience in DC.
That must be it. After all, they voted for Obama over Hillary.
magnet
6408
Right, because the Wisconsin would never choose a midwesterner unless his opponent were female.
Hillary is from Chicago, Illinois.
magnet
6410
She is actually from Park Ridge, a suburb of Chicago. But she made her name in Arkansas and New York, and that’s how people viewed her. Obama is from Hawaii, but unlike Clinton he embraced his midwestern home. That’s where he based his entire political operation, and it’s not hard to understand how he won a neighboring state.
I’m willing to bet they viewed her as a woman, too.
I mean, their first choice is Biden (a man not from the Midwest), their second choice is Bernie (a man not from the Midwest and also not a moderate), and only their third choice is Warren (not a man and more moderate than Bernie and a Midwesterner), and in 2008 they preferred Obama (a man raised in Indonesia and Hawaii who was the more progressive candidate) over Hillary (the moderate born and raised in the Midwest and who lived and worked as an adult in Arkansas). So I can totally see how the important parts are…midwestern and moderate.
As someone who was born and raised in Wisconsin, I also would love for the Iowa caucuses to go away. Because where the fuck is it written that Iowa and New Hampshire must be the primary kingmakers from now until the end of time?
