Interesting link, thanks.

Talk about misreading the room.

Tom Steyer “Yes, I’m finding that being rich is bringing me loads of voter interest.”

Howard Schultz “Yeah, me too.”

ok boomer

Of the options at the top, she is still my top too. I have some mild hope for… Mayor Pete. I do disagree with her on a number of things but hey it’s a tall ask to match someone 100%.

I just think that we want your money because you don’t need that much is not a good or even logical approach to the problem. That’s the kind of statement people are… afraid of, rally against.

It’s simply simpler and more correct to talk about the size of brackets and acknowledging that the higher brackets are really for the ultra rich and to distribute wealth for the betterment of society is for the betterment of everyone, including the rich… not because we decided billionaires are not okay…

Actually, I think almost everyone understands that rationale. Let them get hungry enough and see what happens. Paying 6% on huge fortunes and 2% on big fortunes will surely be preferable to the guillotines.

I think it’s more “we want your money, because like the robber barons of the gilded age, or the aristocrats of pre-revolutionary France, you are a danger to society at large if your greed and ego is left unchecked.”

Keep in mind, perceived success leads to unethical behavior and an increased likelihood of cheating. More then a few studies have borne that out. Combine that with the power that comes with great wealth, and you have a recipe for disaster.

I had to read the sentence multiple times before I actually understood what was happening because it is such a weird/illogical thing to do.

Is he doing this to stir up trouble? Is he as insane as Rudy? Maybe it’s an ex-NYC mayor thing?

More of an old white billionaire thing, probably.

Because someone’s gotta stick up for the rich white guys, am I right?!

Some good? You’ve become British on us Kevin, with that understatement. The BMG foundation has been a major force in developing a distributing vaccines that have saved 122 million lives in developing countries over the last 30 years. Now they aren’t responsible for all or even most but certainly ten million at minimum. If we took his $100+ billion and distributed it to every American family it would be a bit under $1,000 for each one. I challenge you to explain that giving American family a $1,000 is going make the world a better place, than what the BMG has already done. Much less the program they have in place to eradicate polio, Malaria, and a bunch of other diseases we’ve not seen in this country. Or their world changing program to develop affordable toilets that provide clean drinking water and sanitation for the couple billion people that don’t have access to clean water.

I feel confident that no government agency and very few NGOs would have a long-term outlook to fund such a project.

Ok, Gates is the exception, the good billionaire. What about Zuckerburg, Bezos, the Google Boy, or your favorite Republican villain, the Koch brothers.

The vast majority of the top billionaires made their tremendous wealth one way. They founded a transformative company the changed the way Americans and often the world lived. As the company became more dominate, the value of the shares of the company they founded become more valuable, making them worth $20,50 or $100+ billion.

Here is the thing they didn’t become rich by being paid a huge salary, Zuckerberg and Dorsey get paid $1/year. Bezo, Musk, Buffett <$100K and most don’t even get stock options. They don’t have many billions, sitting around in stock, bonds, gold, or real estate. Typically well over 90% of their wealth is tied to their company stock. This means they only way to pay a 5% wealth tax is to sell 5% of their shares each year. After 13 years of doing it that they’ll own less than 1/2 of the shares they started with, which means the founders will find it increasingly hard to control the destiny of the companies they founded.

Who is going to own and control shares the founders sold?. Mutual fund and pension fund managers, hedge fund guys, and Wall St. trader looking to score a quick buck. Are these types of owners willing to spend decades funding moon-shot projects? Such as developing internet for Africa, delivery drones, quantum computers, much less crazy ideas like reusable space ships, or putting men on Mars. History has shown that almost none of these people take a long-term view; they want to next quarter to beat expectations so they can look good.

I think this is bad for the country for two reasons. People who are good inventors and founders, who are also able to scale their companies are damn rare, I hate to see them pushed out by the typical short term focus of Wall St. But even more, importantly, most of these billionaire don’t really care abou the money. What they want to is to build fabulous companies that change the world. Right now that place is still America. But if founders are force to sell share in their baby every year to pay the wealth tax, I’m sure the Elon Musk and Sergi Brin of the world will go place some else, and lots of Chiness will simply stay home.

Wait, you think and NGO or government organization wouldn’t have the long term thinking for that? Based on what exactly?

Governments and NGOs have worked on tons of stuff that took long term planning. Things like Suez canal took over 10 years to build. The space program was singularly responsible for the computer as we know it. The completion of the Dutch Delta works took over 50 years to complete.
Hoover dam took 5 years to complete.
The Interstate Highway took over 40 years to complete as well.
I just don’t know how you can draw such conclusions that Governments can’t do long term planning and implementation.

The idea that government can’t be efficient or solution driven is just GOP spin, and deserves nothing but disdain. Hell, the majority of the most transformative technologies were originally government funded endeavors. Computers, internet, advanced materials, Velcro, Tang, all the work of the US Government. All companies did was build on top of the existing work of the US people.

Bill Gates did some great things, but last I checked, his contributions have been minute compared to what the US government has accomplished.

Sure, but they’re also more reliable. Imagine if the US government was doing what Gates was doing.
Because that would’ve stopped once Trump was elected. Hell, it probably would’ve stopped the second the GOP got a majority in Congress.

I mean freaking NASA can’t get funding from the party that talks about going to fucking Mars every other month.

Not necessarily. There are a ton of projects that are still going on, even under Trump. Congress controls the purse strings, and Trump’s ability to influence the vastness of the US government is limited by the competency of the people he puts in charge.

As NASA, that started way before Trump. Destroying the ability of the US government has been a pet project of the GOP since before Newt was the speaker. Trump is the end result of what the GOP has been working for, for at least a generation.

If you think sending medical aid to poor people in other countries wouldn’t be a prime target for getting cut by the GOP, I don’t know what to tell you. They have armies of people that rail against foreign aid on all of social media.

“Why should we be sending money to (insert country of brown people) when we have homeless veterans!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!”
-literally Facebook every single day for the last decade