Sorta. Lot of rumors floating around since last week, had some more definitive talk on Monday, and had a few hours notice that I was probably on the chopping block (by doing some payroll investigating). I had already started to ship a few things home on Monday and Tuesday so…

Still sucks anyway, though in the long run probably for the best.

— Alan

Fuck. That blows. I guess the little bit of heads up is better than a complete surprise, but it’s never a good time.

Any plans?

Damn, sorry to hear that Alan. Hope you land something quickly.

Yeah, that sucks. Good for you for being able to sniff it out early and give yourself a little early warning. Good luck finding something new.

Meanwhile, take some awesome pictures!

Having recently been through it myself, I won’t pretend it doesn’t suck. But, rest assured, it will work out in the end. Good luck, Alan!

Yeah I dunno what my plans are at the moment. Though we suspected as early as last week, hadn’t really thought of what I’d do immediately thereafter. The WARN and Severance payments feel like my safety blanket, and since I haven’t gotten them yet, I don’t feel like doing something extravagant in the meantime (for instance: I was really considering flying down to Dallas tomorrow and going storm chasing, where there is a good chance of tornadoes in Oklahoma for both Friday and Saturday). Think I’ll just have to be complacent to sit for a week or so.

Meanwhile… I guess games, paperwork, a bit of job searching, booze and porn.

— Alan

Hell yeah!

Naw man, you got to do the whole gif:

Anyway, good luck to you Alan!

Oh man, good luck, I hope this opens new better doors for you.

Some recruiters will not look at a jobseeker if they are not employed. I knew one company in the old days that separated the resumes into two stacks; employed and not employed and threw out those that were no working.

There is this idea if a person is not working there is something wrong with the person. In modern days with people working at several companies rather than just one their whole life this attitude needs to change.

Certain companies put a lot of emphasis on referrals from current employees so it is always a good idea to let your friends and acquaintances know you are seeking work.

What sort of options are you considering job-wise, Alan? What does someone like Raytheon pay for their flight specialists?

I will say though, at perhaps it is just the fields I work in (technical) that almost all tech recruiters I know are comfortable working with unemployed candidates, if the reason for their unemployment is not a red flag.

The thing to remember is that technical recruiters do NOT work for you, the candidate. They get paid by the companies for whom they are trying to fill the position. So you really need to make sure that you convince the recruiter that you are gonna make him/her money by being a great interview and someone companies are going to like a lot. I’ve got a couple of good friends who are also great tech recruiters, I’ve used them for decades (mostly for hiring but also for myself a few times) and their reputation is everything; it’s a competitive world and they don’t get paid unless they fill jobs. If a headhunter sends weak candidates to a company or hiring manager, after a couple of times that company/manager will no longer work with that recruiter.

So - if you’re working with a tech recruiter and he or she doesn’t come up with opportunities for you, it might not be that there aren’t any out there, it might be because the recruiter is choosing to send other candidates to the opportunities they have. The recruiter will NEVER tell you that, of course; he’ll just tell you “It’s a tough market” or “I’ll let you know as soon as I find something that fits you.” Remember - they aren’t spending their day looking for openings for you, they are spending their day looking for openings at companies and then going through the candidates they have on file and picking the ones they think will most impress the company. So you really need to think of the recruiter as someone you also are interviewing with and impress the hell out of them.

I look at resumes every week; I’ve got an open hunting license for good candidates. About half that I’ve hired in the six years I’ve been with this company have been people between jobs. There are a lot of companies out there that, for various reasons, are letting go of good people; this thread is a great example of that!

By recruiter I was not talking about staffing/talent agencies ( I meant the corporate recruiter who does most of the jobseeker screening for their company).

Recruiting software (Applicant Tracking Systems) can limit the amount of candidates they allow a talent agent to submit so it really depends on the relationship between agencies and companies (as you stated).

If I was in the job market I would start reading various HR/Talent magazines. They speak a lot about hiring trends and a lot of them are free.

Be careful to only apply to jobs that you are qualified to do and that your resume and/or job application back up. I know a lot of recruiters who will filter out job candidates that appear on multiple job requisitions (without the experience), they get annoyed at having their time wasted. I mention this having four kids and having been out of work desperately trying to get anything. I was thinking I am willing to do anything but that is not the mindset of the company. Get people to refer you; that is the best avenue to getting your foot in the door for an interview. Even now when you apply online someone can push HR to find you in the system.

Make certain when applying online that you are applying to a specific job, sometimes the system will allow you to load your resume without applying to a specific position. In that case you may be hidden in the system and no one will ever see you unless they specifically search for people who did not attach themselves to an actual position.

Social Media is huge these days. Be certain to be on LinkedIn, Facebook, and so on. Clean up anything you are able on those sites so you look your best. Many companies have people devoted to sourcing candidates from the social sites as their everyday job.

When job searching remember it often starts with your answering message. Be clear, concise, and enthusiastic!

One other piece of advice, from a manager who gets resumes every week on my desk: a cover letter can make a big difference.

Try to put yourself in the chair of the hiring manager. Right now I have a couple of openings for chemists. We have ads in a few places, and I have a couple of trusted technical recruiters looking for me. The candidates from the headhunters get first look, because I’ve worked with these guys for years, they know me and my company (in fact, they’ve both visited my company and toured my city and area so that they can best represent us) and they only send me candidates they think would be a good fit. I talk with the recruiters about each candidate before phone interviews; sometimes I eliminate the candidate due to the discussion with the recruiter for various reasons. I always give the recruiter permission to tell the candidate why we chose not to go further with them.

As for the rest of the resumes piling up on my desk: SOMETHING needs to stand out about the resume to differentiate it from the others. I can’t interview every candidate who sends in a resume. So I read each one, and put them in piles: Nope, maybe, and pursue. Most of the resumes are pretty similar. List of experience, statement that they are seeking a job in which they can use their skills to make a difference, etc., publications and associations. So - what makes one stand out from the others?

  1. A good cover letter that concisely shows they’ve done their homework on our company and is very specific in why they can be a good fit and make us a more effective R&D organization. That shows they didn’t just blindly send us (and 30 other companies) their resume.

  2. A resume that catches my attention right at the very top of the resume. That would include resumes that start with a bullet point list of their key attributes and skills and proven deliverables; then the rest of the resume serves to back it up. And those bullet points should be specific to what we’re looking for.

I’m fortunate in that, other than my first job, I had over 20 years experience in a role in which I did a lot of hiring before I had to go looking for a job. I then ended up having to look for 3 more jobs in 5 years (2004, 2007, and right at the depth of the recession in 2009.) This sounds like bragging, and I know I was lucky, but using the experience I had trying to figure out who to follow up with and who to put on the “maybe” pile and “absolutely” pile, I have never applied to an opening and not received an offer to interview, and I have never had an interview for which I did not get a job offer. I am convinced the reason for the former is that I never sent the same resume to two different companies. I studied them, searched online for all of the information I could find, used every network resource I could find to get as much info on the company and the department doing the hiring as I could (in a couple of cases I actually connected with some people who knew the hiring manager!) and then crafted my resume and cover letter specifically to that company,that organization, their needs, etc.

For example: One company, which I knew had a flood of applicants, was a company with some very specific products in the semiconductor manufacturing process. Their ads bragged about how they had over 68% market share world wide, how they were the world leaders, how profitable they were, all sunshine. As to the labs for which they needed a director, oh, they were world leaders in technology, they had all these competitive advantages, etc.

BUT - I found on their website the transcripts of their quarterly reports to Wall Street, including the Q&A from the guys from the investment companies. That revealed some really tough questions on new competition from large global companies (this company was a startup from about 8 years before,had about 800 employees,) eroding market share, pressure on pricing, etc. Looking at some forums on the company on Yahoo Finance and elsewhere, I read comments from employees about the company not knowing what to do going forward - they had huge profits and market share because they were first to market and thus sat on their laurels and now huge companies decided to jump into the market place, with more resources, better economies of scale, etc. and the company leadership was pretty young and no one had experience in how to respond. (BTW - you have to be careful on such forums, because more gripers and whiner tend to post, but you can get a feel if you read with care.) I looked up on the company website the Bios of the management team; all were pretty inexperienced and young. OK - now instead of my age being a negative,I can turn my experience into an advantage. My big negative: never worked in their industry and I’m applying to run their R&D.

Based on all of that plus a LOT of additional homework, I wrote my cover letter and resume to feature my experience in leading R&D organizations facing tough competition in markets which were being threatened by new entries and potential commoditization. I made it clear that, having worked at a large global company for years, I knew how to go up against such a company and how to counter their strengths. In short, I made it clear that I knew how to counter the challenges they were facing and backed it up on the resume with experiences and accomplishments that specifically demonstrated success at those skills.

I got a call from them 3 days after I submitted my resume. They told me they’d like to skip the phone interview and bring me in for an interview that week. I could tell, during the interview, that there was a lot of nervousness about hiring someone who had no experience in their market; the other candidates were from Motorola, IBM, TI, etc. I did a LOT of studying of the industry and the technology and science to make them comfortable (I could talk the lingo and knew the process and the current challenges of the industry, e.g. the struggle (this was 2004) to design for smaller and smaller feature sizes but the issues with the dielectrics, issues with moving into Copper, moving to more layers, etc. I made sure they knew, hey, I don’t have the experience with all of this but I do understand the challenges, I’m a fast learner, you have a lab of Ph.D.s in the area who I can learn from, my strength is setting the strategy and executing, etc. I got a job offer before I left. In spite of a VP of Sales who felt they HAD to hire someone from the industry - everyone else, including the CEO, said don’t let this guy leave without an offer.

My point is not that I’m “great.” Far from it. I know from looking at the resumes of candidates, after I got there, that frankly they had candidates who were far more qualified than I was. But their resumes were pretty generic, and my resume and cover letter hit them right at what was keeping them up at 2 AM worrying.

Yeah, you can’t always do that. My point is the closer you can tailor your resume to the specific needs of the company, the better your chances. You HAVE to find a way to make your resume stand out from all the other candidates who probably have the same experience (maybe more!) that you do. The best way to do that, in my experience on both sides of the interview desk, is to do a LOT of homework on the company before you submit the resume, then craft a resume and cover letter that is very specific to their needs.

FWIW

Thanks for taking the time to put that together, Jeff. That is a good read and some good info there.

Thanks for the feedback. I’ve had friends who were amazing at their jobs take forever to find a new job, complain that no one replies when they send their resume out, etc. When I asked those people what they did to prepare and maximize their chances for a particular submission, often the answer is that they are putting all of their effort into trying to find places to send their resume, but once they find an ad/opening they just send in their standard resume, same one they send to everyone. Which means nothing that will make theirs stand out in the pile. And I promise you, the hiring manager WILL have a pile of resumes to choose from. You just need to get yours to stand out so that you get the interview. Step 2 of course is killing the interview, but that’s another topic. ;)

The good news is that MOST people who you are competing with will also just send in their stock resume, which will look very similar to the other 30 or 50 resumes. So standing out isn’t all that hard! :)

As a hiring manager, I can attest that Jeff’s advice here is pure gold.

One thing that will stand out more than about anything else is when it’s clear a candidate is interested in and qualified for this job, not just a job.

I am not yet between jobs, but I really do appreciate that information. I’m finishing off my Master’s Degree and I might start a job search again after it is done. Thanks for the excellent information!

Yup, super good info to share. Thanks JeffL for writing that all up.

— Alan

I secured my first job by reading a couple of books on Unix, mentioning that I had done that specifically for this job, and answering the question, "What jobs are you interested in? " with "I’m interested in THIS job. " Targeted enthusiasm counts for so much.