rubs hands together here goes…
Maybe if Isreal would stop blowing up Palestinian civilians for five minutes we’d find out
Did you have those reversed? Take a look at Israeli opinion polls. Most want a diplomatic solution, but at the same time, most agree that it won’t work. I think that’s the difference of opinion that most have. I think EVERYONE except the most hardcore hawks want a diplomatic solution. The difference of opinion is whether or not a diplomatic solution has a chance in hell of succeeding. I think that it does, but only in the long-term, and even then only a small chance.
Malderi, by saying “once the suicide bombers stop” you’re really saying “never.” Because until Isreal doesn’t wildly react to every one of them and just inflame the Palestinians more, it’s never going to end.
I would like to see your example of “reacting wildly”. Because normally, while Israel does respond to every attack (being realistic politically and strategically, it would be hard BUT NOT impossible to do otherwise) they don’t exactly do much more than launch a couple of missiles. Missiles, bombing a bus - the main difference is technology. The difference is, Israel doesn’t just say “Hey, let’s launch some missiles!”. Almost always, (except in surgical strikes or acting on reliable intelligence) it’s a strike in retaliation. Because of that, the burden is on the Palestinians to cut down. Stop the suicide bombers, and Israel would have really throttle back their surgical strikes, especially in the long-term. Because, in the international diplomatic arena, if there are no pictures of Israelies dying but lots of Palestinians dying (aka Europe), popular opinion would swing severely to Palestine.
Once that happens, support a democratically elected Palestinian government.
You mean like the one they have now?
Does that even dignify a response? I’m not quite sure. Arafat has been in power for decades. He APPOINTS the Prime Minister, which is such a revolving door position nobody can remember who’s in it. The Palestinian territories are so far from being a democratically elected, recognized government it’s not even funny.
Actually, my plan for Middle Eastern peace is to, once the suicide bombers stop (hopefully diplomatically) to pull out of Gaza and WB.
That sounds like a great plan. Except you must have forgotten the bit about what happens while you’re sitting around waiting for the suicide bombers to stop.
Yep.Hopefully, you can stop the suicide bombers through diplomatic means. The problem with that lies in Palestinian leadership - or the lack thereof. While most seem to recognize Arafat as having authority, he doesn’t have any authority over organizations like Hamas and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade except as a figurehead spokesman. He might have influence but no real control. And since Israel regards the leaders of organizations such as those as wanted criminals, it’s not likely to deal diplomatically with them. Therein lies the problem.
Actually, you did. You say that “this man has been…urging Israel to diplomatically deal with Arafat”, and then go on to say that this doesn’t work.
Let me rephrase that. I disagree with his emphasis on his positions, but I made no judgements as to him being a “damn lefty nut” (Gav).
I partly agree - but how long do you think a Palestinian government would last if they cracked on down the bombers while Israel was still attacking civilians?
Again, you are mistaken on the cause and effect here. Show me an example of where Israel did a non-major strike (i.e., not striking an already wanted criminal, like a leader of Hamas, etc.), something like launching a cruise missile or knocking down a building, and then look at that date and see if there was a suicide bombing within a week beforehand. While Israel certainly goes overboard sometimes, most, if not all, of its attacks are justified. The cause is the suicide bombing and the effect is a building knocked down. The agreggate Palestinian cause is buildings knocked down = more suicide bombers, but in the short-term it’s the bombing first. Once the Palestinians stop bombing Israelis in cafes (and I’ll see if I can dig up that news article from a few months ago from Hamas saying that apartment buildings were now legitimate targets), then Israel will stop adding more and more people to the wanted criminal list.