League of Legends: Official Thread

[MrCoffee]

You rank up the W because it adds up more damage per level than the jump, so its useful for harassing with the combo.

[Pogo]

Why would you not rank up his E instead of Q? It does twice the damage and is way more useful. It’s like maxing out Jax’s W instead of his jump. I’m sorry it makes you mad that I prefer to nuke an enemy and disappear rather than nuke a creep and stand around autoattacking.

Nuke? Did you miss the part where it says the ratio is bonus attack damage, not total attack damage?

You’re talking like a person that doesn’t understand some pretty basic ways of attacking in this game. If you can’t get in auto attacks, you’re probably not moving between auto attacks. Actually, watching you play, I KNOW you’re not moving between auto attacks, which just makes you a much worse AD champ player and explains why you think you won’t land an auto attack.

Q - (Active): Wukong’s next attack will deal additional physical damage and will reduce the enemy’s armor by 30% for 3 seconds.

E gives you an attack speed boost for 3 seconds. Why in the world do you think you’re not going to get an autoattack and a Q off?

70 AD at level 5, 10 of it bonus from a doran’s blade (if even that)

Rank 3 W- 160+8 = 168 damage
Rank 3 Q - 80+90 = 170 damage

Not the low level “nuke” you think it is.

By level 9 you usually have about +20 AD (phage or brutalizer) and 83 base AD

Rank 5 E - 240+16 = 256
Rank 5 Q - 150+103 = 253

Except I know which one is coming back up first in a fight (it’s Q).

Secure a red buff or go Frozen Mallet or whatever, your Q is what is going to be fucking people up in the midgame.

You rank up the W because it adds up more damage per level than the jump, so its useful for harassing with the combo.

They’re about equal, in terms of their power in just landing one attack.

Q>E>W on Monkey King, don’t read Mobafire guides that don’t even bother to do simple math (that’s a general statement, not directed toward you coffeez)

[Lazy_Shiftless_Basta]

You rank up the W because it adds up more damage per level than the jump, so its useful for harassing with the combo.

What? You rank up Jax’s jump first, because it goes from a 13 second cooldown to a 5 second cooldown. I have never seen anyone ever argue otherwise, except someone who also said you should stack Phantom Dancers and Bloodrazor.

RAWR

So if you count the Q autoattack they do the same damage. But you don’t count the automatic autoattack that happens at the end of the dash. Your protip is still using a skill on a creep to get more autoattacks. Also, way to run off into personal insult land.

[Pogo]

An auto attack is the same damage for both skills regardless, there’s no point in mentioning the autoattack.

Jesus christ man two or three autoattacks +Q gained from dashing behind the enemy and hitting him as he runs away is going to end up doing more damage than one auto attack + Q, except now we’re in my world where E is still only Rank 1 being used as a dash. The reason you can’t hit shit after you dash is because you probably make it obvious.

I’m not talking tactics with you anymore. Personal insult land, really? You question basic gameplay techniques like the person giving the suggestions is fucking retarded and now you’re the victim? Get real, Lazy.

[Lazy_Shiftless_Basta]

An auto attack is the same damage for both skills regardless, there’s no point in mentioning the autoattack.

You just added the auto attack damage into your calculations for the Q and didn’t add the damage from the dash to the person you’re attacking.

Using your numbers I would get 168+30+90 = 288 instant damage instead of 170+90 = 260 damage from an autoattack and Q.

And you opened by saying I was stupid for doing this and then tell me I’m bad at playing the game.

[MrCoffee]

What? You rank up Jax’s jump first, because it goes from a 13 second cooldown to a 5 second cooldown. I have never seen anyone ever argue otherwise, except someone who also said you should stack Phantom Dancers and Bloodrazor.

So if you count the Q autoattack they do the same damage. But you don’t count the automatic autoattack that happens at the end of the dash. Your protip is still using a skill on a creep to get more autoattacks. Also, way to run off into personal insult land.

It also depletes your mana really fast if you level up your Q first compared to the W.

There is no point in ever building PDs on him anymore since it doesnt add Dodge.

[Lazy_Shiftless_Basta]

There is no point in ever building PDs on him anymore since it doesnt add Dodge.

That’s the joke!

[MrCoffee]

Also i just noticed they added the passives to the champion’s info ingame.

[MrCoffee]

Dominion site got updated with a little interactive map.

http://dominion.leagueoflegends.com/

[Pogo]

You just added the auto attack damage into your calculations for the Q and didn’t add the damage from the dash to the person you’re attacking.

Using your numbers I would get 168+30+90 = 288 instant damage instead of 170+90 = 260 damage from an autoattack and Q.

And you opened by saying I was stupid for doing this and then tell me I’m bad at playing the game.

Dammit, Lazy. Q adds bonus damage to your attack. Q’s damage is therefore AD+90 at Rank 3. My example was 70AD + 10AD (dorans) + 90 (Q).

Q is an on-hit attack, therefore attack damage is used as its base damage, and the rank determines the bonus damage. Xin’s Q does the exact same thing, it resets the auto attack timer giving a near-instant attack, while adding bonus damage (though Xin gets two more bonus damage attacks after that).

You’re not stupid, I’m sorry, you know I love you, but at least come into this by understanding what the skills are doing first.

And your method isn’t bad, either. It’s the definitive way to harass someone without retaliation, but it’s also mana-intensive if that person has sustaining items or abilities. I saw Chiffy using it when we queued up together and I was supporting him top. I’m not sure what he skilled up first, but the harass included the Q. They’re both solid abilities to rank up ASAP, or even together, because their secondary effects are complimentary.

Even using your method of enabling Q mid-dash, Q is powerful if ranked up first, plus it has the lower cooldown which lets you keep using it in a fight (if you’re laning, you’re probably laning with someone that can slow or CC, so it’s not a stretch to say you’ll use it twice in the same encounter).

[Lazy_Shiftless_Basta]

Dammit, Lazy. Q adds bonus damage to your attack. Q’s damage is therefore AD+90 at Rank 3. My example was 70AD + 10AD (dorans) + 90 (Q).

Whoops, you’re right, I switched the attack and Q damages from your post. So it would actually be:

168 dash damage+30 level 1 Q+80 attack damage (you automatically autoattack your primary target after dashing which is what sets off the Q) = 278 instant damage vs 170 Q+aa + 80 attack damage= 250 damage.

If your lane partner is going to stun/slow your target so that you can get 7 seconds (rank 3) to Q them again, then you’re more likely trying to kill them outright and not doing so much of a harass.

[Pogo]

That’s kind of why I didn’t include the auto attack, because it’s going to happen regardless. However, with proper repositioning immediately after you dash, you can easily get that auto attack in and immediately Q afterward. The Q is a given either way.

So I think the heart of the issue is that by the time you max rank E, you don’t have much bonus AD in order to pump it up. It’s also an issue of what E gives you upon ranking. You don’t reduce the cooldown, unfortunately, thought the attack speed buff I can’t ignore either.

I think by the time you get to level 9, you’re going to want red buff, and you’re going to want that Q to be up asap.

Maybe I’ll try an Ionian boots build, though I feel like I have more mana problems that on someone like Xin. Then again I haven’t really tried a Sheen build.

[Pogo]

Also, I think I’ve just gotten the only useful rune combiner result ever… Tier 1 4xArPen and 1xArmor gave me a Tier 2 Arpen… awesome.

[AaronSofaer]

I combined all of my T1 runes when I hit 20, got a T3 mp/5 rune. :)

[bluemax]

Aww

[Calistas]

I got a movespeed quint once, hah!

Also, I can’t wait for spectator mode - I need coaching!

Also also, any reason to play Corki any more? Haven’t seen him since the burgher struck.

[MrCoffee]

New champion is… Altair/Ezio?

[DragonPup]

Hey guys, looks like the next champion is Altai—

DAMN YOU COFFEE!!!

[MrCoffee]

Hey i only beat you by 8 minutes

[bluemax]

I already hate the next champion.