League of Legends: Official Thread

Pogo · 2011-08-16T19:17:48.000Z

What the hell are they trying to do with Soraka?

Lazy Shiftless Bastard:

Removing the cdr exemption from Nidalee’s pounce will make her even more impossible to catch. I remember they put that on there because everyone hated her ability to pounce for unslowable movement every second.

She doesn’t usually build cooldowns, but she does grab blue buff. 15% puts her back to pre-nerf cooldowns on Pounce, so with blue buff (which she almost always gets due to her ability to DPS quickly and heal herself) she is pretty much guaranteed to be under 3 seconds on Pounce. If she were to cap herself at 40% it’d be a ridiculous 2.1 seconds.

Seems like they want to make her easier to catch in the early game but that’s about it.

espressojim · 2011-08-16T19:28:14.000Z

maxle:

When you play that meta and can play it competently and the other team goes crazy comp, sure. For a counterpoint, see the pic on the previous page; everyone in that game except Taric (unrated, not level thirty) and myself (1500) was mid 1350. We ate Cait/soraka alive.

Or the other day when I herped the derp and fourth picked kennen instead of a support and we won the lane.

You miss out not being able to play on the EU server/mumble, where we play the meta competently.

AaronSofaer · 2011-08-16T19:49:09.000Z

maxle:

For a counterpoint, see the pic on the previous page; everyone in that game except Taric (unrated, not level thirty) and myself (1500) was mid 1350. We ate Cait/soraka alive.

To be fair, a Taric/Garen lane is more like playing Heroes of Newerth than any other laning combination I’ve seen in LoL.

And I’m pretty decent at HoN. :)

idrisz · 2011-08-16T19:56:54.000Z

espressojim:

You miss out not being able to play on the EU server/mumble, where we play the meta competently at low elo where it doesn’t matter.

fixed for you.

chequers · 2011-08-16T20:44:29.000Z

Bye soraka~

maxle:

As per usual, whatever the meta is, riot doesn’t like it.

You could argue they’re constantly trying to change the meta. That’s different to “not liking it”, and a pretty interesting approach over the long term, IMO.

maxle · 2011-08-16T20:59:31.000Z

I hadn’t considered that, actually. Their behavior actually becomes comprehensible if their goal is to change the game up frequently.

Well, sort of. If Starcraft II (and others that aren’t coming to mind) teach us anything, though, it’s that metagames shift on their own. GP/5 was on the way out before they nerfed it, for example. The switch to the EU meta was pretty organic (if “copy dreamhack compositions” is organic, anyway), for another.

Wisbechlad · 2011-08-16T20:59:46.000Z

LOL on the Soraka/ Sona changes. Al is now probably a better healer!

Yes, they are trying to remove “sustain” support role to more active support role I presume. (Janna/ Taric)

copet · 2011-08-16T21:04:10.000Z

AD Ranged carries can definitely brute force carry teams low ELO. I have spent the first 20 minutes farming with my team losing and playing stupidly, getting in 4v5s or getting stupidly ganked. After that I come back and join them with an I-Edge and Phantom Dancer and get triple kills while my worthless teammates just soak up the damage.

espressojim · 2011-08-16T21:10:48.000Z

idrisz:

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 	 		 			 				 					Originally Posted by [B]espressojim[/B] 					[[IMG]http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/images/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG]](http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?p=2805836#post2805836) 				
			[I]You miss out not being able to play on the EU server/mumble, where we play the meta competently [B]at low elo where it doesn't matter.[/B][/I]

fixed for you.

The people we play against in normal queue seem to have solo queue rankings around 1500-1600. I guess that’s low elo for pros like you.

In other news, why are you being such a flaming asshole? All I’m saying is that it’s a fairly strong set of lanes to play - it’s not like it’s magic to pair up a support with an AD champ and run AP in mid. Want to run a double stun lane? That’ll probably work as well (leona/xin is pretty mean.) And there are other strategies that work, but the conversation implied that it’s HARD to play an AD / support dual bot, and it isn’t.

maxle · 2011-08-16T21:13:58.000Z

Yeah, I’m making the mistake of generalizing from my own experience; I find it hard to be an AD in a duo lane (and in general), therefore it’s hard. This is clearly nonsense.

idrisz · 2011-08-16T21:24:58.000Z

espressojim:

The people we play against in normal queue seem to have solo queue rankings around 1500-1600. I guess that’s low elo for pros like you.

yeah, wiped the floor with a 2015 elo tryn a few days ago, so Yes…

Also it’s really easy to see how well someone plays nowadays, look them up in riotstat…

in order to win in low elo, the only requirements is that you don’t get brain dead teammates.

Lazy_Shiftless_Basta · 2011-08-16T21:25:35.000Z

espressojim:

The people we play against in normal queue seem to have solo queue rankings around 1500-1600. I guess that’s low elo for pros like you.

In other news, why are you being such a flaming asshole? All I’m saying is that it’s a fairly strong set of lanes to play - it’s not like it’s magic to pair up a support with an AD champ and run AP in mid. Want to run a double stun lane? That’ll probably work as well (leona/xin is pretty mean.) And there are other strategies that work, but the conversation implied that it’s HARD to play an AD / support dual bot, and it isn’t.

Pretty sure it was a joke, lighten up champ. Also the conversation never implied that ad/support is HARD, it’s that it is hard to be a SUPPORT when you’re going to lane with a random unknown person who may or may not wander around doing retarded things.

AaronSofaer · 2011-08-16T21:55:13.000Z

In shocking news, don’t put a solo Maokai (or anyone, for that matter) against GARIC LANE IS BEST LANE.

maxle · 2011-08-16T21:56:42.000Z

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Yes, that’s a bot game score. No, that’s not a bot game. Pretty sure somebody raged in teamchat and they refused to surrender in order to troll the guy(s), but I dunno.

Lazy_Shiftless_Basta · 2011-08-16T23:40:54.000Z

Are you using Aaron to bring in people who are under level 30 so you can pubstomp them? I mean, the enemy team has bizarre scattershot half-builds and the other people on your team aren’t that much better looking.

Calistas · 2011-08-16T23:47:25.000Z

At my elo the meta is simple: not suck + lots of CC + a couple of carries + tanginess = win. If you miss any of those items the ranked game will be harder and victory less certain.

Harkonis · 2011-08-16T23:50:42.000Z

idrisz:

yeah, wiped the floor with a 2015 elo tryn a few days ago, so Yes…

Also it’s really easy to see how well someone plays nowadays, look them up in riotstat…

in order to win in low elo, the only requirements is that you don’t get brain dead teammates.

apparently once you get near 2000 ELO, you become your typical DOTA attitude.

maxle · 2011-08-16T23:59:08.000Z

Lazy Shiftless Bastard:

Are you using Aaron to bring in people who are under level 30 so you can pubstomp them? I mean, the enemy team has bizarre scattershot half-builds and the other people on your team aren’t that much better looking.

Didn’t check this time, but last night, as I said above, everyone but Aaron and myself were mid 1300 ranked. I don’t see anything wrong with my team’s builds, though sure, they’re not 100% optimal. As for the enemy builds, it isn’t uncommon for people who are getting their asses kicked to deviate from the standard template.

idrisz · 2011-08-17T00:02:29.000Z

Harkonis:

apparently once you get near 2000 ELO, you become your typical DOTA attitude.

You mean opposite of the typical dota attitude… because the typical DOTA attitude is

"OMGZ, why you not playing EU META, it WIN gaMez!!!

also I’m not 2k elo, I just want to point out that just because your opponent is X amount of Elo, doesn’t mean you are.

Lazy_Shiftless_Basta · 2011-08-17T00:36:15.000Z

maxle:

Didn’t check this time, but last night, as I said above, everyone but Aaron and myself were mid 1300 ranked. I don’t see anything wrong with my team’s builds, though sure, they’re not 100% optimal. As for the enemy builds, it isn’t uncommon for people who are getting their asses kicked to deviate from the standard template.

I mean stuff like your Lux went Lichbane for lulz, but Morde is going pure AP and mana regen? The enemy team is almost all stacking magic resist when you have 26 freaking kills and do physical damage. Forgetting troll Annie: Warwick has no damage and would only have like 100 armor and magic resist depending on his runes there, Lee Sin just has a random collection of stuff, and Ramus didn’t even finish boots?