League of Legends: Official Thread

Wingrow · 2011-08-29T17:19:15.000Z

Oh man, I love No Doubt. And MX can tell horror stories about my chasing skillz. This song is my theme song

maxle · 2011-08-29T17:27:22.000Z

Also, Rammus does not have a weak early game. He ganks like a motherfucker as early as he feels like.

BulletSponge · 2011-08-29T17:30:54.000Z

guppy:

To call Rammus a carry is to render the term “carry” meaningless. Rammus is not a carry.

I understood the comment to mean that Rammus needs farm and that his survivability and utility scales particularly well with gear compared to other tanks. While this certainly doesn’t make him a carry in the ‘watch me ace their whole team if I’m not CC’ed’ sense, I can see the argument being made for how he is one in an ‘underwhelming without some gold’ sense.

forgeforsaken · 2011-08-29T17:31:12.000Z

It’s sort of amazing how many songs LoL has. What other game is like that? I can think of a couple of WoW songs but I’m not aware of nearly as many (but I’m not a WoW guy either) and the original DotA song…

bluemax · 2011-08-29T17:47:20.000Z

BulletSponge:

I understood the comment to mean that Rammus needs farm and that his survivability and utility scales particularly well with gear compared to other tanks. While this certainly doesn’t make him a carry in the ‘watch me ace their whole team if I’m not CC’ed’ sense, I can see the argument being made for how he is one in an ‘underwhelming without some gold’ sense.

Rammus is pretty strong early on with very few items. Its like people forgot how annoying his taunt is or something.

forgeforsaken:

It’s sort of amazing how many songs LoL has. What other game is like that? I can think of a couple of WoW songs but I’m not aware of nearly as many (but I’m not a WoW guy either) and the original DotA song…

It probably helps that they had a bunch of song contests and they do the weekly Summoner Showcases.

maxle · 2011-08-29T17:51:10.000Z

bluemax:

Rammus is pretty strong early on with very few items. Its like people forgot how annoying his taunt is or something.

Powerball out of the jungle and either they burn their flash or they die. Or both.

Horrible_Oscar · 2011-08-29T17:54:31.000Z

New rotation is up: Alistar, Garen, Janna, Karthus, Kassadin, Lee Sin, Leona, Miss Fortune, Sion.

Could’ve sworn we just had Janna. She’s really being pushed right now, what with the model rework and the sexy new splash and all that.

Edit: Whoops, I missed Ashe! Seriously though, who doesn’t have Ashe?

bluemax · 2011-08-29T18:05:07.000Z

Horrible Oscar:

New rotation is up: Alistar, Garen, Janna, Karthus, Kassadin, Lee Sin, Leona, Miss Fortune, Sion.

Could’ve sworn we just had Janna. She’s really being pushed right now, what with the model rework and the sexy new splash and all that.

Gonna have to play a bunch of Lee Sin and Leona this week.

idrisz · 2011-08-29T18:18:14.000Z

maxle:

Powerball out of the jungle and either they burn their flash or they die. Or both.

or they run circles around their minions…

LockerK · 2011-08-29T18:38:32.000Z

Horrible Oscar:

New rotation is up: Alistar, Garen, Janna, Karthus, Kassadin, Lee Sin, Leona, Miss Fortune, Sion.

Could’ve sworn we just had Janna. She’s really being pushed right now, what with the model rework and the sexy new splash and all that.

Leona was fairly recent too, since she’s only been out for what, a little over a month? Not that I mind. I’d like to get some more time in with her while I’m hoarding IP for runes. Level 20 can’t come soon enough.

BulletSponge · 2011-08-29T18:39:09.000Z

bluemax:

Rammus is pretty strong early on with very few items. Its like people forgot how annoying his taunt is or something.

maxle:

Powerball out of the jungle and either they burn their flash or they die. Or both.

To be clear, I was stating how I read the other poster’s comment in a way that seemed consistent with what they were saying, not necessarily agreeing with what was being said.

I’d certainly agree that pre-multiple-nerf Rammus was a powerhouse; I haven’t seen him in many games since then to really offer an opinion on whether that still holds true or not.

guppy · 2011-08-29T18:54:00.000Z

BulletSponge:

I understood the comment to mean that Rammus needs farm and that his survivability and utility scales particularly well with gear compared to other tanks. While this certainly doesn’t make him a carry in the ‘watch me ace their whole team if I’m not CC’ed’ sense, I can see the argument being made for how he is one in an ‘underwhelming without some gold’ sense.

Right, but that’s meaningless. Everyone is strong with a big gold advantage.

BulletSponge · 2011-08-29T19:30:20.000Z

guppy:

Right, but that’s meaningless. Everyone is strong with a big gold advantage.

I mostly agree, but would argue that some champions will show greater improvement from their baseline with a given level of farm than others do. I’d further say that this a property of ‘true’ carries: anyone can lead their team to victory with lots of farm, but a carry is underwhelming without farm and godly with it.

A corollary to that is that the inverse is also true - not everyone is weak with only a little gold. Farmed Taric certainly performs better than unfarmed Taric, but that farm doesn’t really help him be that much better of a stunbot/armor buff beacon.

guppy · 2011-08-29T19:52:40.000Z

Well, right, but you can give Taric 10,000 gold and he can do a lot besides being a stunbot and armor beacon. Rammus with 10,000 gold, built to do the sorts of things Rammus (usually) does, is not going to win a game unless he has a massive gold advantage over the other team, which isn’t going to happen unless you were shitstomping anyway, in which case you could have won as massively farmed Janna. Or massively farmed anyone. I have done this as Rammus. It isn’t because I was carry Rammus, it was because the other team was incompetent.

I agree with your definition of a carry, but Rammus doesn’t meet it.

MrCoffee · 2011-08-29T20:02:30.000Z

BulletSponge:

To be clear, I was stating how I read the other poster’s comment in a way that seemed consistent with what they were saying, not necessarily agreeing with what was being said.

I’d certainly agree that pre-multiple-nerf Rammus was a powerhouse; I haven’t seen him in many games since then to really offer an opinion on whether that still holds true or not.

He was still being played a lot after the multiple nerfs but started to dissapear when people realized that alistar is actually pretty damm good even tho they hadn’t touch him in like a year.

SlyFrog · 2011-08-29T20:35:23.000Z

Alright, the Wit’s End substitution hasn’t seemed to hurt my WW game. (Not a gigantic improvement either, but first do no harm as the most important thing.)

Still can’t get the Long Sword start down (unless I get a leash on blue). I must either have suboptimal runes or be screwing up the timing of skill use or something.

SlyFrog · 2011-08-29T20:43:41.000Z

In flipping through champions, I just realized I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone play Karma (other than maybe a free week). Terrible?

Hugin · 2011-08-29T20:53:52.000Z

When do the new Champions rotate in? I seem to have the old list of free ones. (Nidalee, Shen, Ryze, etc)

MrCoffee · 2011-08-29T20:55:57.000Z

In a couple of hours probably.

Wisbechlad · 2011-08-29T20:57:27.000Z

SlyFrog:

Alright, the Wit’s End substitution hasn’t seemed to hurt my WW game. (Not a gigantic improvement either, but first do no harm as the most important thing.)

Still can’t get the Long Sword start down (unless I get a leash on blue). I must either have suboptimal runes or be screwing up the timing of skill use or something.

Masteries? I find that to start blue safely, I need to have reasonable amount of defensive masteries, so end up with something odd like 9/11/11