Therlun
5241
About chasing in Dominion, and cases where it’s good:
Base rules first, then exceptions.
You NEVER jump in as Tristana. Ever.
Once you have a hundred games with her and know a good amount of situations you can think about bending that rule.
Until then, you NEVER jump in as Tristana because that’s the base you need experience and judgement to deviate from.
The same goes for chasing.
Yes! Though remember that all it takes is one person on the other team trying to cap to interrupt all current capture attempts (note: I have no earthly idea if the relative state of the point is relevant to this). So one enterprising person can still bust things up. Still better to be properly positioned.
One thing I’ve noticed being an occasional problem in Dominion is someone sitting around defending a point (usually your side’s bottom) from no one while the enemy has three points and their entire team just took top. If the entire enemy team is murdering the other four, wait now it’s three people on your team on the other side of the map, just walk over and take the point next to you. Forcing them to run off and either deal with you or spend time retaking their point is better than waiting around alone while they take all the other points on the map.
This man… This man talks sense.
Although I still haven’t forgiven you for unfriending me!! :)
I was sure someone would bite on the jungle chasing line :-). I don’t mean to pile on you Sly because it seems you’re all alone anyway, but it’s a good example about a mechanic being totally different from SR.
You can chase to finish someone off, sure. But if it takes 3 seconds that’s 6secs before you’re back at the point. Your capture time has blown out from 8.5(?) to 15.5 secs. Sure, the dude you killed is out for 30secs, but the other enemies who are alive have another 6 seconds to interrupt your capture.
There are exceptions. A kog on 50hp will still reliably interrupt your capture. And if you’re 4-1 up, might as well shut them out for as long as possible rather than go for 5-0. But I think you’re best to cap before anything else.
Of course, the metagame is so immature we might yet see this change. But chasing is risky as hell until people start becoming more predictable.
Soraka is pretty good on Dominion.
yes she is ;) Soraka and Sona good together too. Need a Taric in there as well!
SlyFrog
5248
Yes, but the dude you are chasing has also lost the chase time. It’s 1 for 1 with him, plus the added time for the kill.
Again, in the absence of all of the “but you’re going to chase the guy into the bush where there’s 20 other players ZOMG” stuff, in a pure 1v1 chase, it’s not just you “losing the time” due to the chase. The guy being chased is losing time just as much. He’s not running off to cap something, or he’s losing additional time before he can blue pill, etc.
So you’re not capping? Neither is he.
And it’s okay chequers, I don’t take it as piling on. I understand you’re just expressing the “rule” regarding chasing. I just disagree, and have not seen anything that persuades me yet. (Again, I acknowledge that chasing is bad a great percentage of the time, given factors like being led into ganks, etc. I just don’t buy the “you could be capping” argument; it doesn’t work for me mathematically.)
On the other hand, I may need to gain some perspective, as I’m starting to do things to fuck with complainers and other fools who say stupid things in chat in SR, which I realize is unfair since while it is fun to torture the fool, it is leaving my other three random teammates in the lurch. If nothing else, I should care because it isn’t doing good things to my ELO. But it’s so fun to respond to, “OMG why’d you use ult there you waste ult idiot,” from some fool who has gone 2/9/3 with, “Okay, I’ll stop wasting my ult,” and then not using my ult for the rest of the game. I normally think the whole notion of finding “ragequitting” and all that to be stupid. But for some reason, my mind has an exception for enraging fools like that.
For some reason I just have a hard time ignoring people like I should.
SlyFrog
5249
Yes, but the dude you are chasing has also lost the chase time. It’s 1 for 1 with him, plus the added time for the kill.
Again, in the absence of all of the “but you’re going to chase the guy into the bush where there’s 20 other players ZOMG” stuff, in a pure 1v1 chase, it’s not just you “losing the time” due to the chase. The guy being chased is losing time just as much. He’s not running off to cap something, or he’s losing additional time before he can blue pill and then return to capping himself, etc.
So you’re not capping? Neither is he.
And it’s okay chequers, I don’t take it as piling on. I understand you’re just expressing the “rule” regarding chasing. I just disagree, and have not seen anything that persuades me yet. (Again, I acknowledge that chasing is bad a great percentage of the time, given factors like being led into ganks, etc. I just don’t buy the “you could be capping” argument; it doesn’t work for me mathematically.)
I think trolling around in blind pick is totally fine. If you’re playing ranked on the other hand…
Last night (in ranked) during team select #5 says “I’m taking cait or mf or i’m afk”. So #1 bans cait & mf. lulz. Then #5 says “ok i’m jungling ez”, so #1 takes ez and locks in. Cue the funniest team select I’ve ever been in where everyone attempts to troll the rest of the team while picking someone who actually fits the team comp. “This is your troll account so you don’t care about losing ELO? Well this is my troll troll account so I don’t care even more!”. We won comfortably and I wish I recorded my face melting as Nasus.
That… is exactly the kind of lulz that should happen more often. Trying to troll without letting it get in the way of having a good game.
SlyFrog
5252
No, this is ranked. I actually don’t think it makes that big a difference. I really don’t care that much about my ranked score. The point really is that even if one fool deserves some punishment, the other three guys on the team have to pay for it too, and that’s not really fair to them if they just wanted to play a game, blind pick or ranked.
Particularly since LoL forces you to play unranked for so long. It’s not like you can choose to play ranked for serious games your first 100-150 games.
Warwick and Shen remain two champions who I am convinced are simply worthless. I don’t think I’ve ever won a game with either of them where they weren’t totally carried by the rest of the team; at least Shaco can gank like a beast earlygame, whereas Warwick has… an ult. And nothing else. May as well pick Xin Zhao, or Shaco, or Sion, or …
You are insane! INSANE! TAKING THE CRAZY PILLS! MAD I SAY!
There’s a definite tendency to use Warwick as simply an ult platform in low elo games with malady/black cleaver/wits end/etc… that makes him really useless 95% of the time.
But, WW is my main and I enjoy ganking at level 4… At mid game, after Wriggles/Wits end/Malady, usually build tank items…
guppy
5256
You are a crazy person. I’ve been the reason we won as Shen so many times I’ve lost count, and had my ass handed to me by a good one many other times. Every skill of his is incredible except maybe Feint, and that’s probably only because I suck at using Feint and usually prefer to level his other skills. Close 1v1 fight going? Ult in and let Annie finish that guy off in safety! Keep someone from escaping with taunt! Shit out a downright astonishing amount of damage because no one expects it from Shen! Shen owns.
I think there are better junglers than Warwick, but a good one is a big problem and he is among the easiest choices for Babby’s First Jungler. He’s also a strong counterjungler because he is one of few junglers who remains at high health and has a great deal of innate lifesteal and healing. Hell, during a Dominion game a day or two ago, I saw Bunny fight two people at once and not only win but come out with more health than he started with.
It’s possible that you think this because a lot of their contributions are less visible. Pushing a tower? Warwick’s team steroid will make a big difference. That carry who just demolished two people? Shen’s the reason they did it without being instantly exploded.
It’s also possible that you’ve never seen a competent player with either one.
Oh, the things you needa learn :P
It seems /v/ has the same idea re: chasing people.
Their strategy seems overly complex otherwise, but I wouldn’t mind trying it out.
That’s a great pic. 4 top/1 bot has been the ordained strategy as decided by the pope almost since Dominion’s launch, but the all out attack on Windmill, ignoring factory/ice cream cone is pretty bold and I think worth it.
