League of Legends: Official Thread

McKnight · 2011-10-12T08:01:52.000Z

MrCoffee:

You would have still done more damage with the IE+LW+BT than with the madred’s alone.

He also got a Void Staff, looking at their builds I think he made the right choice.

While having a definite item build is good, being able to change your build based on individual circumstances is the hallmark of being a good player.

guppy · 2011-10-12T09:10:53.000Z

I… have never thought if pairing Bloodrazor with a Void Staff. That’s awesome.

peacedog · 2011-10-12T09:53:52.000Z

guppy:

I… have never thought if pairing Bloodrazor with a Void Staff. That’s awesome.

Really? Ideally you can bring a Wit’s End into the equation as well (which probably wasn’t possible here). As I mentioned to you the other day, I have been meaning to try this on MF. With no AP whatsoever, MF’s w passive does like 44 magic damage a hit once it’s fully stacked (4 stacks). Obviously Malady is the first item you get with this approach, though it might get sold lategame depending on a number of factors. In fact, you can plan on queing with me this evening for my MF Hilarity plans. I guess I should switch to AS reds for this setup. . .

I have never been able to finish a Teemo build along these lines - the games are usually over. Every time I Try to build Kog like this I end up having to switch to AP early on because I found out I was queued with crazypeople (though in fairness, the AD/AS Kennen player was really good. But boy he ran out of steam).

Though looking at the characters and ballparking some numbers I’m not clear this was definitively the best answer. The physical setup is still better versus Vlad (though I am guessing he got the negaton late? I don’t think that matters but it makes it closer). After thinking about vlad, I started to think Kat (who had armor too, making her much sturdier versus physical). I still think Razor setup is the winner there but it’s probably closer than I realized.

Vlad has roughly comparable Effective Health Pools (assuming 3800 or so real health; it’s like 6800 versus magic, 6700 versus physical). The Razor setup has faster attacks but I think the massive crits and Parley benefits from the physical setup make it outdistance the Razor pretty significantly.

Kat’s lack of Mr seem to make the razor approach preferrable there. Renek is a little murkier. Guessing more armor than MR on that build, but if it’s close I think it’s the vlad situation.

Obviously, runes and masteries can alter the equation. You’re looking at potentially 30 mr (6 masteries + 24 from scaling blues) and 21 armor (15 from armor yellows, 6 from masteries).

idrisz · 2011-10-12T10:57:11.000Z

razor just plain-o-suck even if they stack health, you should gone last whisper which does the exactly the same a void staff except for physical damage.

the best case scenario if you just flat out reduce target to 0 MR(never gonna happens with void since it’s %), so you do 4% max hp a hit… on someone with 4k hp that’s like 160 extra damage a hit, that’s with 6k gold invested.

with the same last whisper + Infinity edge combo(also 6k gold, it’s about like 60g more), be dealing 120 damage on every hit except now your crit goes through the roof, we factor in the 25% crit, so every 4th hit is a crit that does 250% more damage.

120 120 120 410 vs 160 160 160 160. that’s not counting whatever runes setup your already with gangplank since I do Armor pen runes that also favor a physical approach. good players are versatile really applies to defense build setup, often not offensive, since it only works on so few champions.

bluemax · 2011-10-12T11:05:37.000Z

Hugin:

Ugh. I hate Katarina.

Yes, I assume I’m playing her wrong and whatnot, but this game I’m playing with her is just really useless and unpleasant, I don’t like her at all. Worse even than Urdot, and I hated Urdot.

Game finally ended. 2/9/6. Bah.

She’s a squishy burst assassin who has to get into melee range to use her ult, and her ult is quickly counterable by any form of hard CC.

If she snow balls she can be a beast, but like most assassins she’s really susceptible to being shut down.

The best advice I can give is that you should always be the last one to enter the fight. Wait for people to blow their cool downs, then Shunpo in and use your ult and watch people melt.

maxle · 2011-10-12T11:16:41.000Z

bluemax:

She’s a squishy burst assassin who has to get into melee range to use her ult, and her ult is quickly counterable by any form of hard CC.

If she snow balls she can be a beast, but like most assassins she’s really susceptible to being shut down.

What Blue’s trying to say is she’s a counter-pick; if most/all of the enemy team has chosen and they have few/no stuns/silences, pick Kat and lulz your way victory. Otherwise, leave her at home.

Yes, that means choosing her in blind pick is a Bad Idea.

idrisz · 2011-10-12T11:21:09.000Z

or you can be a pro and force your teammate to play morgana!!!

Morgana -> BS - Kat = the win.

chequers · 2011-10-12T17:47:48.000Z

idrisz:

razor just plain-o-suck even if they stack health, you should gone last whisper which does the exactly the same a void staff except for physical damage.

Your reasoning seems sound, but my experience in this game was not like that. I was doing only mediocre damage with IE+LW+BT but started chewing through kat & renek after getting these items.

Also it prevented most of my damage from proccing their thornmails which was seriously hurting in teamfights.

Nathan_Phoenix · 2011-10-12T18:20:31.000Z

Kat + Galio is a great way to punish a team that doesn’t pick any hard CC.

idrisz · 2011-10-12T18:42:54.000Z

chequers:

Your reasoning seems sound, but my experience in this game was not like that. I was doing only mediocre damage with IE+LW+BT but started chewing through kat & renek after getting these items.

Also it prevented most of my damage from proccing their thornmails which was seriously hurting in teamfights.

You don’t need BT, get IE -> PD -> LW then you build tanky. like get MR if you need, last item you should get is Atmas after you buy hp gear. the damage from thornmail is tiny especially if you build MR since it’s actually magic damage. you can basically kite Renek since he can’t stun you.

Pogo · 2011-10-12T18:54:27.000Z

Hugin:

Ugh. I hate Katarina.

Yes, I assume I’m playing her wrong and whatnot, but this game I’m playing with her is just really useless and unpleasant, I don’t like her at all.

I think this is exactly what I thought when playing Kat. Her blink strike thingy (shunpo?) puts you into melee distance, but auto attacking at that point feels sluggish and unwieldy.

The correct playstyle is to harass with Q before using W>E (for 15% reduced damage) and then R>E for the kill.

Since her passive reduces cooldowns by 15 seconds, and E is on a <15s cooldown anyways, that means she can blink to get a killing blow, then blink away before she gets blown up.

She’s extremely lethal in the right hands, but really unwieldy to most people.

chequers · 2011-10-12T19:04:30.000Z

Like all non-mana based heroes. It’s all about timing.

idrisz · 2011-10-12T19:05:24.000Z

unless you play garen…

SPIN 2 WIN!!!

chequers · 2011-10-12T19:05:45.000Z

idrisz:

You don’t need BT, get IE -> PD -> LW then you build tanky. like get MR if you need, last item you should get is Atmas after you buy hp gear. the damage from thornmail is tiny especially if you build MR since it’s actually magic damage. you can basically kite Renek since he can’t stun you.

You can only ‘kite’ as GP if you just parley, and I wasn’t putting out enough damage that way. Oh I had a +crit cloak too so my crit chance was near 50% too. But the damage output was too low and they had too much health. Madreds was letting me chew through them.

Drakwon · 2011-10-12T20:31:01.000Z

My user name for LoL is drakwon, I have been playing for over a year and I have gotten pretty good at the game, enough to compete at tournament level. I am willing to help anyone with champ/map strats or basic tips if they need them.

Pogo · 2011-10-12T20:37:48.000Z

Ok…

Anti-Bunny · 2011-10-12T20:39:41.000Z

Drakwon:

My user name for LoL is drakwon, I have been playing for over a year and I have gotten pretty good at the game, enough to compete at tournament level. I am willing to help anyone with champ/map strats or basic tips if they need them.

What would you consider tournament level? I would personally say 1800+ Elo.

idrisz · 2011-10-12T20:40:23.000Z

Drakwon:

My user name for LoL is drakwon, I have been playing for over a year and I have gotten pretty good at the game, enough to compete at tournament level. I am willing to help anyone with champ/map strats or basic tips if they need them.

Should I buy 6 doran’s ring for trynadamere in summoner’s rift?

AaronSofaer · 2011-10-12T20:40:55.000Z

Jungle Veigar, the new meta or so the new meta?

chequers · 2011-10-12T20:46:38.000Z

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