bluemax
1921
Yeah I pretty much primarily jungle him, and yes I start with Tiger stance. I think of my junglers he probably has the fastest clear time now after the minor GP nerf (which for some reasons feels like its really fucked my jungle with him). I don’t even put points into Phoenix stance until the end of the game and I never use it anymore. Tiger stance just blows people up these days. I actually tried a build for a couple of games of Wriggle’s, Wit’s End, Attack Speed boots, and Maladay. Couple that with Tiger stance and you have utter hilarity.
I started playing Udyr again after seeing him become a minor fotm as a solo laner at high elo. I think I’ve laned him a few times as well, but I prefer to play jungle most of the time when I play this game (I feel it gives me more control over the outcome of games). I’ve carried a couple of really bad teams with him lately and gotten praise from the other team afterwards, I love when that happens.
I was watching SaintVicious’ stream last night and he said that solo lane Udyr gets beat pretty hard by solo lane Jax, which makes sense to me.
Well that was the first time I had tried switching out Wriggle’s for BR. By that point the other team had 1 inhibitor and 1 nexus turret left, so it kind of didn’t matter. Also we had a really good Sona player. The scoreboard doesn’t reflect just how much awesome that Sona provided.
That team also over extended way too much. There was one time where Cass was all the way down to our inner bottom turret and I came out of the jungle behind her. She ulted me, ghosted and did her best to try and run and slow me down and I just kept bear stancing and chasing until I punched her into the ground. After that death she asked me what my movement speed was :D
Phoenix is still faster :p
Cho’gath tier 1? i did not expect that.
Yeah, and apparently Akali isn’t a horrible jungler. I wonder what the build for her is now.
You aren’t alone. Several times already I heard “Jungle Cho? lol noob”
Sigh.
I have never ever seen a Jungle Cho, so i wouldn’t be able to say that.
I’ve played jungle Cho a few times. It’s pretty easy and fun. Except for the part where ‘serious’ people scream “JUNGLE CHO NOOOOO IT CAN’T BE DONE!”
Also, Leona is out.
Blue, do you have a favored guide? Or just cloth and pots and all the other stuff you suggest?
I probably read a guide once but no I don’t have one now.
I go cloth armor and 5 pots, to wriggles and then after that it really just depends on the flow of the game and the enemy team comp.
I’m lazy so I run the same runes on all my junglers: Armor Pen red, Armor per level yellow, MR per level blue.
Masteries I go 1/18/11 because I like to be a tanky SOB.
Edit: Leona is finally out? I see Chauster playing her right now.
She did strike me as the, “self-reliant type.”
Big thanks to Pogo for starting to show me the ropes a bit the other night (despite my total ineptitude and the fact that I couldn’t even figure out how to get Mumble to work properly). Loads of fun for me and a nice test of patience for him I’m sure. :)
(Though I did finally figure out Mumble. Apperently on a PC default does not necassarily equal “what I want”. Silly machines.)
You don’t jungle, so I’ll give you some slack about this comment.
WW isn’t that good in the jungle, and he certainly doesn’t interfere with yours, so that comment in the middle makes 0 sense whatsoever.
Phoenix is still faster then Tiger, by a decent margin. It also does roughly the same amount of damage but unfortunately it’s not applied up front but instead as a burst after 3 hits. Tiger is better late game though, which is why people bother to jungle Tiger (because it allows you to get 5 levels in Bear instead of 3). Phoenix is so fast that you can even afford to not buy a wriggles (or razor) and that fact alone remains the primary reason people will ever do it. Also, both stances require different rune setups.
Trinity Force is pretty core on Udyr, regardless of initial stance choice, and Madrads will give you the most damage off Tiger Stance because of the huge Attack Speed increase.
Stonewall has a raging hard-on for Cho’gath (that and Asian she-males, “traps”).
Remember that tier list is his opinion, not some definitive sourced guide he did up after talking to others. Cho’gath is quite decent in the jungle, but imo is not a competitive pick (Something I’ve argued with Stonewall before). He does have the benefit of using practically any rune/mastery/starting item setup that he likes, which is a pretty big deal, and also has huge counter jungle potential once he hits 6.
-edit- Blue, GP’s jungle is the only thing effected by the last nerf so don’t feel too surprised that you noticed a difference.
idrisz
1936
You don’t jungle, so I’ll give you some slack about this comment.
err you don’t play with me so what do you know about what I do?
you should probably check my match history.
How many games have you played jungling?
If the answer is under 100, then you don’t jungle.
Man the Leona defender skin is bad ass. I kind of want to get it but not sure how much I’ll play her yet. Saw it in game earlier though and it’s fantastic.
idrisz
1939
fairly sure I have spend more than 100 games out of 1300 games jungling between udyr, nocturne and ww when I started learning to jungle.
if you claim phoenix is way faster, post a screenshot of time when you clear one side with phoenix, I take a screenshot of my clear time when tiger after I get home, start at blue or whatever you want. this is pre-wriggle too so I won’t have advantage either.
Pretty sure that those games were spread few and far between. Jungling is the one aspect of the game that you need to specialize in, in order to be effective. I’m also sure that spending, at maximum, less then 10% of your games jungling further reinforces the fact that you don’t jungle.
