2741

I haven’t spent much time as a caster, but zhonya’s seems a more effective utility item than RoA anyway. Popping zhonya’s will almost guarantee your ult goes off, while the extra 500 hitpoints from a RoA aren’t going to help that much if you get focused.

2742

tanky, because tank always beat dps in this game.

2743

I’m not sure what I was going for there other than “Crap, I’m getting steamrolled, what can I afford right now that might help.” At the end I was trying to build a Banshees Veil, because that new mage, the one with Mimic, was single combo killing me over and over. The armor is because the level 30 Xin was also ambushing and crushing me.

I usually build what I think makes sense in the game, though I probably make bad choices since I’m pretty new. I haven’t ever built DFG, I should try that out, thanks!

I was pretty bummed after getting crushed and taunted that game, but I guess the guy who carried them did have twice the mastery points I do, a full set of runes (I’m not using any until level 20), and about 500 games of experience over me. It’s probably ok if he’s way better than me. |^)

2744

You definitely shouldn’t feel bad about that game. A level 30 is almost always going to crush against “lowbies” because of the advantages you mentioned. Of course we can always improve our gameplay but you were basically playing with one hand tied behind your back.

2745

I have the most epic pubby games. I wish I had taken a screen shot.

It was:

Ashe and Garen top
Heimer Mid
Me (Sion) and MF bottom.

I think the other team is Garen, Nunu, Teemu, Twisted Fate, and Fiddle.

Ok, so I am not great. But I quibble a bit with MF’s play. She’s using her AoE/slow on creep waves a good deal - I know that’s her thing but because it was on cool down we missed some killing opportunities against our lane mate - nunu and Ashe.

But we do well and get 2 kills, and we’re doing ok farming at that. Heimer is struggling a little mid. Top goes 2/3, but they also knock the other teams tower to just under 50%. Ashe seems a little more inexperienced; she has 2 deaths. So I’ve gone back after we got our second kill. And ashe calls “switching to bot. Me and MF - note, she says the players name - play well together”. Uh. . .ok. So that puts me and Garen top against Garen and Teemu. We have a more difficult go of if since Teemu has a million shrooms up and he’s ranged and Garen is Gare (even though our Garen is garen). But I get 2 kills and an assist. Our garen dies 2 or 3 times. We cannot yet push tower. Heimer dies once or twice. They’re probably +5 in kills right now.

Ashe and MF? Hugging tower. Farming. They do eventually die twice and I think get a kill. Hardly doing great.

The game progresses. Our Garen is complaining about the switch so I kinda have to corale them. Several ganks are attempted on us but only one is successful, and I get my first death. They have 3 trying to push top (tower was intact that this point). They have someone pushing mid. Mf and Ashe? Hugging tower. I point out they can probably take bot tower. Eventually they act6ually do (right as help shows up). And then everything gets nuts. We group up and push mid. . .except Ashe wanders off. But we do good, take the first and second tower. We get a death and two kills. Group up to push mid. . .MF wanders off. We take top and bot towers, though. We have a tower lead; they’ve taken 2 of ours but we’ve taken all 3 first towers and mid 2. We do a quasi push (3 but 3 enemies are down) and get the second tower up top. They get the last standing tower 1.

And that ended the team fight phase of the game. Only twice more in the rest of the game - which went on for 64 minutes - would we group up as 5 people. Ashe and MF kept trying to backdoor the top lane because “we can win that way”. We twice had favorable - 1 or two person advantages thanks to skirmishes where we killed more than they - and Ashe and MF wouild break off. Still, Garen and I cobbled gether a push of mid and got the inhib down (ashe deigned to help). That was important. We would fail to repush middle inhib twice after respawns but still got it knocked back down several times.

Ashe and MF ignored calls to group up (MF said we “sucked at team fighting and there was no point”). We lost many more “team fights” since it was 3v4 typically. Both ashe and MF had over 16 deaths and I think someone hit 20. MF had 15 or 16 kills and double digit assists, but she’s MF and in a 60 minute game she should.

Ashe didn’t buy boots until past 30 or 40 minutes (in fact, we had won a 4v4 and had 3 people to push mid and possibly take an inner tower in another lane. She left. “I need boots, I can’t get there in time”. Someone post the Picard Face Palm pick).

Final kill count? Good guys: 48.

Bad guys: 74.

We won, of course. We badgered MF into one final push and won (we had knocked down middle inhib again and then wiped doing it). In all of her back-door work, she and ashe had killed 2 towers and 1 inhib, one time. The # of deaths they racked up trying this? 20. MF thought the trading of 16+ deaths for 2 towers and 1 inhib was a good trade. “If we all just back doored, we would win. You are terrible and need to listen to me”. Well, if we all pushed one lane, yes we would win. The other team? Besides MF, had 2 teleports. I’m pretty sure it is harder to back door when the other team has 3 teleports, in effect. But what do I know? For once, we finally pushed. And we knocked down the remaining inner tower + 2 up inhibs and won. Oh and we wiped them 5-1 (or maybe 2) while doing it.

I went 13/5/16 or thereabouts. Garen died more. I think I wound up with Catalyst (never had a chance to replace it, but I had the money) Stark’s Fervor, The Red crossed Swords one, Guardian Angel, IE, And an Thirster. And I had the money to swap catalyst for something great. Truth was, even in several 3v4 fight situations we got kills. I did really well, and our Garen was pretty good (heimer was inexperienced). If you’re asking why we kept fighting. . .well they slowly pushed into our base(did get middle inhib down). Also, Ashe and MF would be near by and we’d say push, and then we’d get up in lane and they would peel off. And then we would try to push or fall back (wthe latter was increasingly the case ) but often lose people.

2746

Phantom Dancer is the red crossed swords. Such a great item. I usually grab 2 of them on Gangplank :)

2747

You don’t need phantom dancer on GP, you just need IE ASAP + Atmas.

2748

i do 2 or 3 avarice blades -> IE -> ghost blade -> phantom dancers

2749

plank isn’t particularly beefy, so I’m not sure why you’d go atma’s. Unless you’re building a tankplank, I guess.

2750

I do 1 avarice blade > boots of speed > IE > finish boots > BT > Ghostblade > Mallet/Veil

2751

Atma is actually one of the most cost effective thing on GP because GP have around 2k base health, he gains 40+ damage without any health item plus the crit on top of armor for the cost alone.

I don’t do ghost blade since I rather do more damage on my parley, rather just buy more damage over things like Ghost blade.

2752

But you are also the worst Gangplank we’ve ever seen, idrisz!

2753

Quick question,is Nasus a strong jungler, and can he manage it without smite?

2754

I’ve always heard the answer is yes, since his passive is life steal and his Q is a physical autoattack buff, but he’s so good at laning that jungling is almost a waste of his talents.

2755

From what I’ve played with him, not really; as aura/tank Nasus you can pull it off but Nasus’s real strength is in a lane; go with the usual cloth armor + 5 pots and spirit fire for first skill and start at blue golem.
And yes, you will need smite.
Edit: too slow I guess, like Lazy said above.

2756

that’s because I had to play some type of carry in every game you are in, else we lose!!!

2757

Can we get more 5v5 draft mode games tonight? Those are way more fun then playing with random pubs.

Also, we need people to work at getting 14 champs so we’re not stuck doing ghetto draft. Soraka, Yi, Ashe, Kayle, Nunu and Sivir are all 450 IP. :P

2758

I purchased sion and sivir today. And I intend to try some freebies liberally until then. Like Nunu, e.g. I want to learn a good tank, which he is. And, as you noted, he is cheap. 5v5 draft is awesome; can we please set it up in Mumble before lobbying?

So I just won a fun match with Sivir. 10/3/13, we outkilled and wore them down at about 48min. While selecting champs we had me (sivir), Teemo, Vlad, Yi, and Mundo. Hey, terrific.

In the last 15 seconds Mundo switched to Ezreal. Err, ok. That kind of hurt us; he wasn’t very good at Ez (and probably would have sucked as Mundo, so there you go), but we persevered even though they won the early tower battle. I got fed. Heavily (finished the game with like 370 creep kills). Teemo got fed too, and Vlad was tanky enough, that we survived a bout of DCitis for Yi (who later did some smooth back door work on top and bot), and won.

My build:

  • Meki -> Chalice
  • Berserker’s Greaves (Garen, Malph, Warrick, Zil, Heimer)
    -The belt part of Starks that gives life steal + regen aura (I was about 60 gold shy of Recurve when I went to buy it too, whoops).
    -The rest of Starks.
  • Madreds
  • Black Cleaver
  • Blood Thirster

I was super fed so it’s not like that kind of build is common. I had enough money to replace the chalice end game.

It was fun. Even ealry on when I didn’t hit for alot I was still pesky (especially since boomerang hits hard; I maxxed it first, something like qwqwerwq and then q> r> w> e). Teemu was good and built madreds among other things. We several times fought off 2v3s with extreme pejudice (some of the other team’s players were meh, granted).

Also, the heimer wound up being pretty good but opened the game by marching into our tower range and getting executed (I didn’t get there in time to poke him alas). Which was weird. I assumed he clicked to mvoe and then was looking at other stuff and then didn’t realize it until too late (at the third tower hit, he veered back but eh tower had time to get a last shot in).

Also, I’ll hit 20 in a couple of days tops.

2759

Are you talking about playing ranked, or all qt3 custom game draft mode?

2760

That justification doesn’t even make sense! It’s the Chewbacca defense!