Kennen should be trying to stun the other team as much as possible but it’s often easier said than done. A combo of his three regular moves will do it. So urgot wasn’t necessarily wrong but he may be expecting too much
JoshV
2942
Oh really, at a glance you can tell whether someone is rank 30 and what runes he took? It’s NOT obvious except maybe to a veteran player, even clicking on his stats doesn’t show how its different from the default champion without runes.
l0lh3h3
2943
It’s a lot easier than you think, the passive on your W makes it a breeze to setup stuns.
AA them once, press W, you can then combo with Q or E from there.
Level and runes mean nothing. I recently started a level 1 smurf account and after playing about 30 games (and winning at least 80%), found myself paired against level 30s.
So if you’re under level 30 fighting against 30s, take it as a compliment. :) Even with a full set of masteries and rune pages, those benefits are not going to determine the game.
Of course it does. It’s incredibly obvious what runes somebody has at first glance.
Hmm… that’s alot of bars my guess Dorans and Health quints. Wow he has +20 AP at the beginning of the game, somebody has a nice AP rune page. Ouch, that auto-attack hit me quite hard he must be running Armor Pen. Movespeed, Armor, Magic Res are all also displayed for you to clearly see.
JoshV
2946
See, that’s where i said not obvious to Veteran players, if I’m playing against a champ that I rarely ever see, I’m not sure what his default stats are let alone his modified stats. Does his power normally do that much damage, i dunno, it just seems like a lot.
The level 30 runes and masteries seem to make more of a difference than the low levels. In a close game, they will make the difference, I could see it especially being a problem in mid battles in same champ vs same champ match-ups. And like I said before, the benefit of playing a game longer should already be apparent though increase in skill and general game knowledge, why give those players another leg up with actual stat increases as well? Its just a general pet peeve of mine.
Player skill is king. If you’re a new level 30 to the game, I will beat you with a level 1 account with zero runes or masteries.
I understand it’s frustrating before level 30 if you’re playing against someone that has access to things that you don’t. But really it does not matter - it’s very minimal bonuses which pale in comparison to itemization, map awareness, ability to control dragon/baron, etc.
Oh no your completely right, the rune and mastery system is a bit messed up. But it does lead to more interesting matches once everyone’s at lvl 30.
A key one to look out for is AP. No character in the game starts with any AP and therefore if you see a champ with AP at level one (above 20) then you should expect a ridiculous burst and be ready for it.
JoshV
2949
Yeah, but I only ever seem to have the luck of getting the bad level 30 players on my own team =) You know the type where you look at their profile later and go, “Wow, that guy was level 30? I had no idea.”
JoshV
2950
I still wish there was a more visual system for equipment, even if I realize it isn’t feasible, at least for LoL as it is. But coming from DoW2, where almost all equipment was modeled on the character, i found it a bit jarring to have to deal with having to dig through a second menu to find the meat of the game. At least LoL doesn’t have multiple heroes of the same type on the same team like Demigod had, that was even more annoying as two identical heroes could have very different stats.
You mean something like this?
bluemax
2952
I played a 5v5 a couple nights ago with 2 of you guys and I think that no one on the other team was level 30 like me. I was using Corki (who I suck as) and the other team sent Kayle mid. I destroyed her super easily and the other player said “nice runes”, however it wasn’t runes that made the difference, the player was practically just standing there while I unloaded E on to him. Do I have a decent amount of armor pen runes? Yes. But I would’ve been demolishing this guy without runes.
I also get annoyed in solo queue when people say they can’t play a tank or support or whatever without the proper runes. Jungling is the only role where I feel runes really make or break you at level 1 and even then you can compensate.
On the Kennen question someone above asked, its been awhile since I played him but I think all of his attacks apply MoS and then you can stun by hitting E. Take E first and try to max it out first. I wish Kennen wasn’t 6300, I’d like to buy him and play him more but not at that price.
It’s W you max first that damages everything that has a mark + applies another mark, E is the ball of lightning move speed thing.
JoshV
2954
Hah, thats a good comic, and illustrates exactly why graphical representation isn’t feasible for LoL. (unless maybe they scaled the weapon size up the more copies of it you had) But its a shame, as its a layer of obfuscation that I think hurts new players getting into the game. I certainly would’ve given up on the game earlier it hadn’t been for my friends being super addicted already. It being free also helps.
Pogo
2955
Runes and masteries, added together, make just enough of a difference to have people consider paying money to buy them. There is a reason for the level up system, and if it didn’t make a difference, it would not be there.
It’s impossible to say for sure what outcomes are affected by runes and masteries, but it’s kind of ignorant to think that they do nothing, especially in a game where effects scale and abilities are used so often. And small numbers mean pretty big things in the early game.
But you can’t pay money to buy runes :D
Pogo
2957
Whoa, so you’re right. That other thing I said, I still stand by!
l0lh3h3
2958
Stats that are blue are default, if it’s green then there’s an added bonus, be it from Runes, items or passive’s. I’m talking about when you click them in game btw.
JoshV
2959
Thanks, that’s good to know. Though I’ll still whinge endlessly about no graphical representation instead of having to look at a secondary location =)
Joe_M
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