My thoughts exactly, and another reason I don’t bother building to support the shield - it seems nearly useless now. Sure, if I poke half a creep wave it will half fill - but it times out quickly and the other powers do little to keep it up. As you say, end result is that it is uncommon for the shield to keep you protected during early laning phases of the game unless the other team are really passive.
So who now does a similar job better? Malph, Ram, those guys? Or others. In
So who now does a similar job better? Malph, Ram, those guys? Or others. In pub games it seems I am one of the only people willing to switch to something tanky so I better learn!
I’ve heard good things about AP Sion but haven’t had a chance to try him out much.
Maybe you should try an AP scion, been goofing around with that build today and it seems pretty fun. Not sure it’s end game viable, but man, it’s fairly OP in the laning and mid phase if you max your shield early.
6 second CD stun that has a bit of range, shield that absorbs about 600 damage if you go AP and will destroy an entire creep wave with one shot. Pretty fun toon.
I really think you could probably build a successful Scion tanky, dps, or AP.
On another note, good players on Ramus always seem to be a major pain in the butt to deal with.
bluemax
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I think Vlad is kind of similar in the “really an obnoxious caster who lives too long and can dominate a lane forever” role.
If you want to play a pure tank then go Rammus or Malphite, a competently played one of those guys is an asset to almost any team. Also jungling as Rammus is pretty easy and leads to a lot of awesome ganks.
Yeah. Good suggestions. Just got to finish my Morde script and vid and I will feel done with him.
Oh, is Udyr not in the same basket?
bluemax
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Udyr is a really bad laner, he’s an okay jungler if you don’t have Rammus/WW available. He has a nice fairly spammable stun and his turtle stance helps with his somewhat low natural MR.
If you want to play a pure tank go with Rammus or Malphite first. Udyr is more of a jungler/offtank.
Ok - just in recent games against him he has been unkillable - but I guess Ram, Malph and Vlad are also tough to take down.
bluemax
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Against a really physical team he’s great, but I feel like he gets destroyed by bursty casters more so than other tanks.
Udyr is NOT a tank. Udyr is an anti-carry, and about as scary as Olaf is played properly. Yes, he can build tanky but if he wasn’t beefy he wouldn’t be able to do his fucking job. Just want to put that out there since people are talking about him recently.
Calistas: Top tier tanks are Amumu, Malph, Garen and then maybe Rammus, Gragus and Shen. Any of them would be worth trying out if your looking for someone to initiate with (people call everyone tanks, when in reality what they are looking for really are initiators. It’s why most people can’t play Shen, if you have a Shen on your team you are never supposed to teamfight. Under any circumstances). Also pretty much every “tank” can jungle effectively.
-edit- Also laughing at whoever called WW a “squishy” character. Your playing him wrong.
How is WW not squishy until he gets his first defense item after Madred’s which pretty much everyone builds first? Even after a Banshee’s or Spirit Visage he still feels pretty squishy to me. Late game he can get pretty tanky but he’s squishy for a good chunk of it.
Thanks, Mc-Knizzle. I like asking for advice here as it’s less contradictory than what you can dig up via Google :)
copet
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After blood razor you should really just build WW tank. If you get him tanky enough, he is almost impossible to kill because of his life steal, and he can keep racking up damage all battle and finish people off at the end. He shouldn’t be built like a ranged DPS person where you just keep getting damage. Get him some survivability.
Joooooooooosh, why don’t you like us??? :)
(Seriously though mate, have yet to play a game with you even though you’ve been on mumble twice with me).
I consider Malphite to be a better anti-carry than a tank. Though he’s a good initiator, his abilities don’t lend themselves well to be a fully defensive, unkillable monster.
IMO, the characters that work really well with a full defensive focus (runes, masteries, and items) are Amumu, Rammus, Garen and Shen. Honorable mentions go to Nasus, Blitzcrank, and Nunu -all of them can rock with a proper tankyish build too. Alistar and Mord used to be in this group but not at the moment.
Had some good games last night, arrows were running accurately for once :) It did feel like the matchmaking was working well as both games we were matched quite nicely and good natured matches as well.
Got 5 man ganked on mid for the first time in I don’t know how long, not actually sure it did them any good but at least no smack talk afterwards :)
Was nice games though after a truly lousy week of LOL.
copet
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One of the most satisfying wins in a long while.
I present: Team Bloodrazor (And Katarina for comic relief).
That game was hilarious, especially the final fight. Copet charges forward, ghosts, overdrives, and becaue he has Banshee’s Veil he just runs right through Veigar’s stuncage. Meanwhile Veigar flashes and runs away, but Copet catches up in less than a second and melts his face off while their entire team turns on him. Then we all start chasing Irelia and because everyone is on the opposite side of their team I can’t catch her but I already turned on my barrage so I randomly attack the nearest person, and I instantly melt an ulting Mundo with almost full health and Kayle. And of course because we all have Bloodrazors Cho gets smeared twice thanks to GA. All of which happens in about 5 seconds. I think we all had nearly full health at the end too.
Hurray for Copet Carry Blitzcrank.
