League of Legends

[McKnight]

I know what you mean, man. It sucks being so great at this game. Which I am. Great, I mean. I am great at this game.

That’s not what I meant at all, I’ve certainly been on both sides of the table. It’s just
frustrating is all.

Don’t mind me I guess… I mean I’m also the only person I’ve met that prefers the laning phase to the rest of the game.

[wisefool]

No, I really like laning. I usually do well laning in solo queue. I do suck a lot in team fights, too much going on for my little brain to handle.

[JoshV]

You know what has to be the most annoying thing about this game. When you are in mid doing rather well, not winning your lane by a large amount but definitely quite comfortable.

Then you realize that the rest of your team is just failing horribly… And you end up losing the game because the other 4 members of the team > you.

My favorite was when my starting mid player (who insisted on going mid by the way, Caitlynn is not a good mid, but whatever) lost both our mid towers before the 10 minute mark, and it was solely 1v1.

[Pogo]

I like either cleanse/ghost (when I play runaway teemo) or cleanse/exhaust (for aggressive play.) Got a question thought. Akali is my nemesis. I can’t kill her. What are her weaknesses?! She seems like a bursty spell caster with stealth.

She’s bursty, but she doesn’t have a toggle stealth. What she has is a big zone of control with her Ring 'O Stealth, which you are never allowed to go into ever. She still takes damage from non-targeted attacks while in her ring.

[Calistas]

Got owned as Trist by a mid Cait yesterday. The player was better than me but, even so, she could push like a mofo and has a dangerous long-range harass. What’s not to like in the laning phase?

[Hanacker]

I like either cleanse/ghost (when I play runaway teemo) or cleanse/exhaust (for aggressive play.) Got a question thought. Akali is my nemesis. I can’t kill her. What are her weaknesses?! She seems like a bursty spell caster with stealth.

Once she hits six you can’t really solo kill her without maybe an oracle or sight ward. It’s her job to kill ranged squishies. Just poke and outfarm her. She’s a mediocre farmer without crescent slash so every time she goes in for that blast her.

[Calistas]

Actually, I had two games in a row where i was harassed and pushed back to the mid tower. I have to stop midding in our premeds as I end up facing very experienced players. First enemy was Cait, second was heimerdinger. Anyway, even tho Trist has range, in both cases I was getting annoyingly out poked.

[maxle]

My favorite was when my starting mid player (who insisted on going mid by the way, Caitlynn is not a good mid, but whatever) lost both our mid towers before the 10 minute mark, and it was solely 1v1.

If someone loses both towers, they don’t do it alone. That’s on the rest of you as well.

[bluemax]

You know what has to be the most annoying thing about this game. When you are in mid doing rather well, not winning your lane by a large amount but definitely quite comfortable.

Then you realize that the rest of your team is just failing horribly… And you end up losing the game because the other 4 members of the team > you.

I hate when I’m controlling mid, maybe not outright winning, but controlling and the rest of my team does so poorly that my slight lead mid ends up being useless.

Elo hell doesn’t exist. It just doesn’t make any sense.

There might be streaks of losses but if all players are equally bad you should still win every second game on average in the long run.
If you don’t… well then you are above your Elo still, because if you really were so much better than all the other people in your own Elo hell you would be able to tip the balance in your team’s favour every now and again, winning more than 50% of games on average, increasing your rating.

It doesn’t matter how retarded your team is or how many AFK people you got. Unless you think the matchmaking is biased against you the other side has just as many morons and leavers in the long run.

You’re right, logically it shouldn’t exist but it does. When you go on a 10 game losing streak and drop 100 or so Elo and then can’t win more than 2 in a row you’ll know what Elo hell is.

“because if you really were so much better than all the other people in your own Elo hell you would be able to tip the balance in your team’s favour every now and again, winning more than 50% of games on average, increasing your rating.”

You’d think this but it just isn’t true. Let’s say you sink to the point where you’re consistently getting first pick because you have the highest Elo on your team. You pick a champ you know you can carry with. The other team out picks the rest of your team, your team picks bad champs etc. Despite all this you win your lane, you attempt ganks but because your team either over pushes or doesn’t communicate you aren’t able to get the gank and snow ball. Your team over extends, doesn’t buy wards, doesn’t listen to your helpful, polite suggestions etc. Maybe they don’t even speak the same language you do! You buy wards, you ping, you push etc etc but your team walks into ganks over and over.

Now I admit to having bad games, to making the same mistakes that make me rage and I know I’m not the most skilled player in this game by a long shot, but I guess the thing I feel that separates me from others is my awareness of these facts.

Also match making is beyond bad in this game.

[wisefool]

Well, what’s your win/loss ratio? Mine is pretty close to 50% in my four accounts.

Thanks for that tip Hanacker, I think I’ll try only poking when she’s last hitting then.

[Mr_Popov]

I hate when I’m controlling mid, maybe not outright winning, but controlling and the rest of my team does so poorly that my slight lead mid ends up being useless.

You’re right, logically it shouldn’t exist but it does. When you go on a 10 game losing streak and drop 100 or so Elo and then can’t win more than 2 in a row you’ll know what Elo hell is.

“because if you really were so much better than all the other people in your own Elo hell you would be able to tip the balance in your team’s favour every now and again, winning more than 50% of games on average, increasing your rating.”

You’d think this but it just isn’t true. Let’s say you sink to the point where you’re consistently getting first pick because you have the highest Elo on your team. You pick a champ you know you can carry with. The other team out picks the rest of your team, your team picks bad champs etc. Despite all this you win your lane, you attempt ganks but because your team either over pushes or doesn’t communicate you aren’t able to get the gank and snow ball. Your team over extends, doesn’t buy wards, doesn’t listen to your helpful, polite suggestions etc. Maybe they don’t even speak the same language you do! You buy wards, you ping, you push etc etc but your team walks into ganks over and over.

Now I admit to having bad games, to making the same mistakes that make me rage and I know I’m not the most skilled player in this game by a long shot, but I guess the thing I feel that separates me from others is my awareness of these facts.

Also match making is beyond bad in this game.

If they walk into ganks over and over which loses the game, then they are going to lose lots of games and thus no longer be in your Elo. I don’t really get the logic here regarding Elo hell. Yes people have bad games, it happens, move on.

If you then claim that those bad players stay in your Elo range because of being propped up by good players on their team, then EVERY range of Elo becomes Elo hell which again makes the point invalid.

[McKnight]

If this was a solo game you might be right, but it’s not. It’s entirely possible for you to lose a game on one person making a big mistake, never mind 4 of them making several smaller ones. That’s just the snowball nature of the game and part of what makes it fun. But it has the side effect of meaning if you get several bad teams in a row you will drop into a lower elo bracket with worse players. Because you now have a worse pool of players your chances of grabbing a fully competent team are lowered, which means you will probably lose some more eventually and the cycle continues.

Again the logic you and Therlun are applying works well in most games that use matchmaking but not in a team game like this one.

Also Blue you said the mid thing far better then I could. That’s pretty much exactly what I meant.

[Therlun]

If this was a solo game you might be right, but it’s not. It’s entirely possible for you to lose a game on one person making a big mistake, never mind 4 of them making several smaller ones. That’s just the snowball nature of the game and part of what makes it fun. But it has the side effect of meaning if you get several bad teams in a row you will drop into a lower elo bracket with worse players. Because you now have a worse pool of players your chances of grabbing a fully competent team are lowered, which means you will probably lose some more eventually and the cycle continues.

Again the logic you and Therlun are applying works well in most games that use matchmaking but not in a team game like this one.

But exactly the same applies to the other team each and every time!
You might lose because you got a moron one game, but you will win because the other team has one another time.
Dropping ionto lower Elo should make it easier to escape, because your own skill is even more influential because the other team is made up of players of that terribly low Elo…

[bluemax]

If they walk into ganks over and over which loses the game, then they are going to lose lots of games and thus no longer be in your Elo. I don’t really get the logic here regarding Elo hell. Yes people have bad games, it happens, move on.

If you then claim that those bad players stay in your Elo range because of being propped up by good players on their team, then EVERY range of Elo becomes Elo hell which again makes the point invalid.

I’ve been over this argument so many times in this thread that it’s almost not worth having anymore, but here goes.

Let’s assume that I am roughly an average player skill wise and a slightly above average player awareness wise (except when I do dumb things like play when too tired or inebriated). Now if you suppose I get the first pick each time, and I pick a carry and get mid every time and the other person in mid is about the same skill level as me. I should win ~50-55% of the time right?

But again this isn’t how the game works. I don’t always get to pick a carry, I don’t always get a solo lane. Matchmaking at the 1000-1300 range is entirely a crap shoot. Some times you will get 4 people on your team who have played a decent amount, learned the games mechanics to some degree and you will win. Sometimes you will get 4 people who are brand new to ranked, don’t understand counter picking or team composition, and refuse to play more than one champion etc and they’ll feed their asses off. Sometimes you run into duo queues with a player who is far above the skill level of everyone else and the balance will be messed up.

Not too mention you don’t always get first pick and it doesn’t always make sense to pick a carry when your team already has 2 and as much as Riot has made it so almost every champ can carry now it’s still hard to carry as say Rammus against a fed Vlad or Pantheon.

It’s kind of dumb that games at 1000 Elo tend to be more balanced than those at 1200.

[chequers]

Enjoy late game Nasus. When your team is doing well he becomes a ridiculous damage dealer with as much health as a tank.

I’ve played a few random matches too – I much prefer playing with qt3 denizens on Mumble :D

[Therlun]

I’ve been over this argument so many times in this thread that it’s almost not worth having anymore, but here goes.

I don’t think you get our argument.
Every disadvantage you bring up applies just as much to every other player. There are players in the other team who face the exact same thing!

Let’s be blunt: you say you are a better player and get 4 bad players to cope with. If you are the only good player in Elo hell, the other team should always be 5 bad ones… So why aren’t you winning 50%+ games with your team, which has one less bad player, every time?
Unless you want to imply that the teams you face are always favoured by matchmaking there are only two explanations.

1. You are just as bad as everyone else in hell, making it games of 5 bad players against 5 bad players. Elo hell is your correct skill level.
2. Your perception overrates losses and underrates wins, especially in the short run. Something practically everyone does. A 5 loss streak is much more annoying than a 5 win streak is exalting.

[Mike_Cathcart]

Got to level six today just playing against bots to try out a bunch of characters. I had a good time with Annie, Cho’goth, Poppy and Heimer but I really like Nidalee. She’s all of the things that are cool about WoW druids in PvP. Will definitely take some practice but it’ll be fun practice. I also like the card guy. I think those will be the first two I spend points to unlock.

Good times, good times. Can’t wait to stink up the joint against some real people.

[Pogo]

She’s all of the things that are cool about WoW druids in PvP.

Change “cool” to “annoying as shit for everyone that’s not a druid” and I’ll agree.

[Mike_Cathcart]

That’s what I said :)

[Calistas]

Cheq, when you get to the teens, and if you’re still playing with Qt3 peeps, you will start to really enjoy random queue because everyone is so terrible! I went 21/3/12 with Mordekaiser a week or two ago, what a hoot… Well, not all the time will this be the case, but often enough to be a laugh.

And I can’t wait for player justice - it’s going to be a hoot to read the complaints etc.