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Mundo’s theoretical damage is still less than Irelia’s.

The champs aren’t really designed to fulfill the same roles, but I think Irelia is still more deadly if played as a damage soak like Mundo.

5282

Irelia’s pretty fun. I can’t see building her AP, but I can see building her hybrid as well as tanky.

6 seconds of 75hp true damage hits with a Stark’s Fervor and Youmu’s Ghostblade is pretty deadly. Otherwise, her life steal is freaking insane, and her ult throws life steal damage on top of it. I can see now why she’s so effective as tanky. She can close the gap with a carry very quickly, slow/stun them, deal true damage, and chuck 4 blades for lifesteal until her true damage ability ends and she’s back to lifestealing with auto attacks.

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I am well aware that armor would affect his damage output. I wasn’t even arguing for Idrisz’ position exactly (though I think people are understating Mundo’s hurtyness somewhat). I was just pointing out how Mundo got to that number, and that it wasn’t a 14000 gold build. I assume people can do the actual math in terms of armor pen, attach speed, and such on their own, becuase I’m just reasonable that way. Also, because I have the social skills of someone who graduated fifth grade. A long time ago.

5284

I’m not sure why you’ve all of a sudden thought you turned into a brilliant mastermind of LoL strategy. Are you trying to play some kind of antithesis game with current winning LoL strategy?

Tanks are supposed to be poked and harassed with low cooldown, low risk abilities until such a time that another tank or initiator can go in and subdue a carry, which is then slaughtered by your own carries. This is the winning formula.

Mundo is to be ignored. If the enemy team can ranged harass, then your carries, particularly the AD carries, need to strategize and come in from a different angle while your tanks disable their tanks.

I realize it’s not always as simple as “everyone ignore Mundo!” But it IS as simple as “everyone don’t waste your key abilities on Mundo!” Mundo can’t throw 3 or 4 fucking cleavers at one time.

5285

I’m not sure why you’ve all of a sudden thought you turned into a brilliant mastermind of LoL strategy. Are you trying to play some kind of antithesis game with current winning LoL strategy?

Don’t have to be a brilliant mastermind to figure out “hey, I won 2 out 3 games I played!, Maybe I doing something right!!!”

Or “hey, I won almost all of my Mundo games in ranked, maybe I’m doing something right!!”

5286

Or “maybe everyone else is doing something wrong!”

5287

unfortunately, I’m an optimistic person, so I don’t assume everyone I played with or against is a retard.

5288

Great, you played against teams who focused you instead of killing the people on your team that did even more damage.

Or you’re attributing your wins to the occasions that you weren’t focused, and once again you were the most important person on your team.

Which one is it?

5289

Again Idrisz, I never said Mundo was a bad champion. I think he’s quite a good champion, I believe you are simply vastly overrating his capabilities. He simply can’t output half as much damage as any other DPS/Caster in the game. For instance do you think Mundo does more damage then Malzahar?

And I was factoring in MPen into the 18% I said earlier because I figured no-one would be insane enough to run Mundo without MPen :)

The Teemo thing isn’t about attack speed vs. AP. If you go pure AP you are useless in a teamfight as your blind has a long Cooldown (for a continuous fight) and your also shut down incredibly by an Oracles. He’s only good if you are specifically running some kind of kite strategy. Otherwise you do need to at least get a Madrads so that you can at least right click something while your other stuff is on CD (it also combines really well with that Void Staff you have).

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For instance do you think Mundo does more damage then Malzahar?

nope, but if malzahar uses up his ult on “squishy”, malzahar will never end up killing mundo.

and I carried as mundo in the games I won in rank. they focus on trying to focus everyone but me down, but then ends up with me killing or chasing of their squishy, and push down towers or inhibitor.

this is on ranked using drafted, they even had ignite.

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It’s not a question of underestimating Mundo’s “hurtyness”, everyone knows how scary a Mundo is when he gets in your face (as any good tank should be). The point was people were vastly over-estimating his damage output without simply looking at the hard facts/game mechanics. It’s far easier and more constructive to have a conversation about a champion if people do these things rather then make sweeping comments, which my “lolz” quote was referring to, because there are a lot of people who read this thread that don’t understand these things.

Also, your insulting me because I used the word fuck? Get off your high horse. I realize there’s a bit of a culture divide here but seriously.

5292

Those are two very different points though, can you not understand that?

Mundo is an Endurance tank. He specializes in out-healing/out-lasting DPS characters and is ground into the floor by burst characters. He was designed for that role and he does it very well. There are other tanks which specialize in eating burst damage but are ripped to shreds by DPS.

Your claims earlier were that Mundo put out more damage then any other character and also did it better then them.

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What’s your ranked game Mundo sample size though Idrisz? 5 games? 10 games? That’s not a significant enough sample to be meaningful. I’ve played somewhere around 300 ranked games and in that time I’ve probably seen just about every champion have at least one ridiculously good game.

I’ve played probably around 900 games of LoL and I can easily say that on a sample size of 1 game, any champion can have a stupidly good game, and yeah every so often you run into someone who plays like 1 or 2 only and knows their nuances and can do ridiculous things that might beat a group that hasn’t seen as much of that champion or whatever.

I used to play nothing but Jax, game in and game out. I was pretty damn good with him. Then he got nerfed and I was still good at him despite his new shortcomings. Then he got nerfed some more and the meta shifted and new champs came out and he got remade and I stopped playing him. Now I can still play him, and with the right team match ups I will absolutely steamroll with him. If I steam roll 5+ games with him because the other team picked suishies and melees without much CC and let me gank them to death does that make him the most awesomest champion who ever lived. Yes, but only because he’s Jax, otherwise it would be no.

5294

I think I’m quitting LoL. Too much of a time sink for me. Who wants my stuff? :)

5295

I’ll take your nidalee spear aiming skillz

5296

What, switching to Yaoi manga instead?

5297

my original post.

tanky mundo will eventually outdamage tanky irelia due to the cleaver hit is base on % and his ult basically give him full health ever 36 seconds.

where did I claim mundo puts out more damage than any other character.
I said Mundo does incredible damage, and to ignore mundo in team fight is basically asking to get your ass whooped on.

do I need to learn Irish English or something, does that involve me adding Shhhhh behind everything?

5298

I love it when there are no stealthers on my team, but the other team has bought oracle purely to not hit my AP shrooms.

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You just said it there again. You are telling us that unless we focus Mundo then we will lose the teamfight, when in fact it is exactly that which causes you to lose fights. Because there are other characters on your team that do far more damage then you do.

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they then realize oracle is pointless too since I shroom bush more often than not. so they just goes kaboom before they can actually spot them.