League of Legends

[bluemax]

The damage total thing counts minion damage, so its possible someone else was beating on minions and not just last hitting them and racking up a lot of bogus damage that way.

How so? His Raise Morale doesn’t buff minions.

Last night I played a bunch of Maokai and he is one of the most fun characters I have ever played. I got at least a kill a game by throwing a sapling onto someone at low health who was hanging around behind their tower.

Bunny tried playing Twitch for the first time ever last night, to hilariously disastrous effect. Some kind of special award goes to him for not being able to figure out how to use Twitch’s stealth, and then later realizing he wasn’t even pushing Q.

Also worth mentioning is that some people need to learn that ganking does not mean saying “I’m going to come top/bottom for a gank,” and then when you get there immediately running out into the lane to attack someone completely out of range of the people laning there. If you get there and go “Ready?” and the other two people say “No!” that does not mean “Go attack Nidalee when she’s on the opposite side of the river from us.”

I’m convinced after playing the tree for one game that his E range will get nerfed at some point. The lane denying power of that skill is insane.

And to go along with your jungling complaint:

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=549138

I think this is a good read for anyone who DOESN’T jungle regularly and complains about their jungler.

When it comes to expecting a gank you have to go through a decision making flow chart of sorts:

Who is my jungler? What does he do in terms of CC at his current level? What do I do in terms of CC at my current level? How much damage do I do? How much health does the enemy champ have? How over extended are they? What escape moves do they have? Does my jungler have red buff?

It’s not enough to simply say “you should be ganking”. Ganking is not a 1 man action, it requires coordination with the lane to be effective.

One other interesting thing related to jungling, I saw during match set up for one of the tournament matches, saintvicious explained to Phreak why he took Olaf over WW (because the opposing team was CC heavy) and explained to him a couple of match up based decisions on jungler picks but Phreak minimized the chat window before I was able to read all of it. It was something I hadn’t heavily thought about before but it does make sense. Just like other class/role picks having the right one for the enemy team comp is the next step up from simply having the right role on your team.

[Pogo]

Well, I was lower in creep kills, primarily because I’d be focused/killed due to my ability to take down 2 people before getting killed by the 3rd during the ganking phase.

[Lazy_Shiftless_Basta]

Yeah, it looks like you had the least creep kills on your team (the counter doesn’t track jungle monster kills so Warwick definately had more than you). That combined with Rammus wasting your time is probably why.

[forgeforsaken]

Jarvan seems to only be 4800 ip? From the video he seems more of a 6300 than a bunch of the recent 6300 champs have been but I won’t complain.

Also seems like he’s a champ you could build a team around, with having characters with blinks to more safely focus down the trapped champion.

[Lazy_Shiftless_Basta]

And to go along with your jungling complaint:

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=549138

I think this is a good read for anyone who DOESN’T jungle regularly and complains about their jungler.

I totally agree with your link there, especially since in any game I play if anyone is jungling it is either me or Bunny.

Just to be clear, the failganking WASN’T a jungler EDIT: OR Bunny.

[Pogo]

Yeah that jungling complaint thread isn’t exactly what was going on. To be fair, Bunny is just starting Twitch (which I still think is a terrible idea), and is going to have to get used to using the element of surprise after the laner initiates if he’s going in for a gank. That’s all my complaint was, and really when I complain I’m making suggestions while maintaining the requisite asshatery that is expected of me.

[Morberis]

Heh just tried to get into a game and boom it won’t connect to the server, says my firewall (which is off) might be blocking it. Ahhhh dang.

[forgeforsaken]

Heh just tried to get into a game and boom it won’t connect to the server, says my firewall (which is off) might be blocking it. Ahhhh dang.

It’s patch day.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/server-status

Expect to not be able to play every other Tuesday morning/afternoon, also expect the downtime to be extended a couple of hours as they tend not to finish on time.

[JoshV]

Yeah that jungling complaint thread isn’t exactly what was going on. To be fair, Bunny is just starting Twitch (which I still think is a terrible idea), and is going to have to get used to using the element of surprise after the laner initiates if he’s going in for a gank. That’s all my complaint was, and really when I complain I’m making suggestions while maintaining the requisite asshatery that is expected of me.

Yeah, I’m not a fan of Twitch. It’s hard to learn a new hero once you hit 30 though, the bots are stupid, going solo queue you get lots of people typing at you for playing poorly, and if you play on mumble, then you get people actually complaining about you =)

Though I have to admit, hitting the wrong key repeatedly and not being able to stealth was pretty funny.

I’m still surprised we won that third game.

[bluemax]

Yeah that jungling complaint thread isn’t exactly what was going on. To be fair, Bunny is just starting Twitch (which I still think is a terrible idea), and is going to have to get used to using the element of surprise after the laner initiates if he’s going in for a gank. That’s all my complaint was, and really when I complain I’m making suggestions while maintaining the requisite asshatery that is expected of me.

I wasn’t posting the link because of Bunny playing Twitch.

I was posting it because last night Bunny hit his limit for “Bunny why haven’t you ganked yet?” comments. I thought that thread was a good explanation for why Bunny probably hasn’t ganked yet.

I do feel that in the regular QT3 crowd we have a really low pool of junglers. It seems to be me, Lazy and Bunny.

Jarvan seems to only be 4800 ip? From the video he seems more of a 6300 than a bunch of the recent 6300 champs have been but I won’t complain.

Also seems like he’s a champ you could build a team around, with having characters with blinks to more safely focus down the trapped champion.

He’s only 4800? That’s hilarious, I expected him to be double that. The pricing on Champions has been so goofy for so long though.

[idrisz]

I think WW is a terrible jungler for ganking nowadays, WW is an easy champion to clear jungle with, but pre level 6, his ganking ability is a big fat 0.

Rammus is better, Xin is better, Irelia is better, shaco is better at jungling ganking than WW will.

[Anti-Bunny]

I think WW is a terrible jungler for ganking nowadays, WW is an easy champion to clear jungle with, but pre level 6, his ganking ability is a big fat 0.

Rammus is better, Xin is better, Irelia is better, shaco is better at jungling ganking than WW will.

Once warwick has red buff around level 3 or 4 he can gank, but it takes coordination and the right conditions. He can’t just appear in the lane and make people die instantly, as Blue’s post pointed out.

Rammus is fucking stupid op.

[idrisz]

Once warwick has red buff around level 3 or 4 he can gank, but it takes coordination. He can’t just appear in the lane and make people die instantly, as Blue’s post pointed out.

yeah unlike any of the champions listed above, where they can just show up with red and make people die!!!

[Pogo]

WW is a fine jungler.

[espressojim]

Once warwick has red buff around level 3 or 4 he can gank, but it takes coordination and the right conditions. He can’t just appear in the lane and make people die instantly, as Blue’s post pointed out.

Rammus is fucking stupid op.

He can’t, unless the person is pushing the lane hard. In which case, they have to at least burn flash to get away, as they may not be able to escape with ghost.

I haven’t done a TON of jungling yet with WW (or Olaf on the EU), but it seems pretty easy to set up a kill on any solo champ who’s pushing the lane hard as soon as you have red. I seem to average 1-2 successful ganks before level 6.

[McKnight]

How so? His Raise Morale doesn’t buff minions.

It’s not about buffing the minions… What’s the biggest reason you play Gangplank? And Cannon creeps give double the xp of regular creeps. See where I’m going with this?

Also Blue, I jungle a lot on the EU. I just don’t have the runes/champs to support it when I play with you guys on the US servers.

[idrisz]

WW is a fine jungler.

he is a fine jungler if you dont expect your jungler to gank before 6. also for consecutive ganking, you can’t do it on WW since his ult is on a much longer cd than xin and irelia’s dash.

[Anti-Bunny]

he is a fine jungler if you dont expect your jungler to gank before 6. also for consecutive ganking, you can’t do it on WW since his ult is on a much longer cd than xin and irelia’s dash.

WW can gank before 6 and his ult cooldown is 90s (and I run CDR runes).

[idrisz]

WW can gank before 6 and his ult cooldown is 90s (and I run CDR runes).

Xin and Irelia’s dash is like 12 second CD, shorter for Xin since his W lower all his skill cd.

[bluemax]

WW with ghost and blood scent can gank at level 4 and help get kills with the right people. It takes a little more to set up than a Rammus gank or even Shaco gank at the same level but it totally can be done.

Also because WW heals up so fast, he can come in scare someone into burning an escape summoner spell and if they don’t retreat to heal, he can turn back around and punish them if they extend too far out again.