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for the first item, 8 minutes +13 = 21, I would have IE at 25 minutes mark with chalice.

2 Philostones into 2 Avarice Blades into IE with CDR boots in there somewhere. Easiest way to solve your mana problems forever (with yellow mana regen runes) and also gives you tons of gold. One of the most commonly used GP builds out there (you either go this for DPS plank or go Manamune for Tankplank)

with Mcknight’s build we talking a 2nd philosopher + 2 AB before you complete CDR boots. that just delaying your best item and your early to mid game just because somehow if you make it to late game you end up having 500 more gold…except with IE earlier you can probably score many more kills than the useless gold generating items.

P.S.

One of the most commonly used GP builds

at your level you should stop looking at other people’s build…

Oh wait, you should be…

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It’s a lot better on melee champions then ranged but it’s still a great item and one I always recommend to new people for a variety of reasons. You learn the importance of wards, it helps you last hit as you’ll be horrendous at that when you start playing and it gives you huge lane staying power.

I mean what’s not to like?

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Berzerker’s greaves are okay if you are farming good early and can get them fast. In general though they’re probably the worst boots in the game.

BlackIsis you might also try building cloth armor + 5 HP potions to start the game with Trist/Ashe. Then you can do one of two things with the cloth armor, either build it into a Madred’s (if you know the other team has a lot of high hp champs) OR build it into a Heart of Gold. The HoG will give you HP, armor and gold per 5 and you can sell it off later when you need the inventory space. I realize this sounds completely unconventional but it works out pretty well.

In terms of boots, I’m a big fan of boots of swiftness on Ashe. I used to go Merc treads, until I realized that if I was close enough to be hit by CC then I was doing something wrong.

On Trist, I actually max E last. Maxing it early seems like one of those noob trap type of things. The attack speed steroid is a lot more useful than the splash damage. Just my opinion, I’m not a particularly good Trist player. There aren’t a lot of high level Trist players these days to learn from either sadly.

Like McKnight said, it tends to be better on melee champs than ranged champs but its so cheap and provides a lot of useful stuff (free ward, life steal, armor) that it can be a good early game item that you sell off later. I know it was a trendy buy on some ranged champs like Ez and Trist after the Doran’s changes. I don’t think I’d ever buy it on Ashe simply because for her I try to make each hit count more, as opposed to Trist where I’m okay with spamming weaker attacks.

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Vamp scepter just doesn’t regen enough off of early damage to make it worthwhile as a starting item. I usually go Doran’s Shield, but boots + health potion works too.

And I like Berzerker Treads on Trist if you don’t have any other pressing needs since it gives you cheap attack speed you might not otherwise need to build.

And I think Lantern is more of a melee item. I almost always rush Infinity Edge on Trist and then start building survivability items.

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There are only a handful of Magic Pen items (like what, 3?), and most cooldown items are either more expensive or head towards builds that aren’t really that as easy to utilize for a squishy carry.

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And then you still sit in lane and farm so what’s the point? Your still useless in a teamfight bar your ultimate.

with Mcknight’s build we talking a 2nd philosopher + 2 AB before you complete CDR boots. that just delaying your best item and your early to mid game just because somehow if you make it to late game you end up having 500 more gold…except with IE earlier you can probably score many more kills than the useless gold generating items.

If you mean get gold by killstealing with parley then sure. But you won’t be doing DPS with just an IE and will remain practically useless in teamfights. I also said to fit CDR boots somewhere in between buying those items not afterwords.

P.S.

at your level you should stop looking at other people’s build…

Oh wait, you should be…

Haha, fair point, you got me there :)

But there is a slight difference in that I’m watching 2000+ elo players playing GP and watching what they are building, and not simply picking up random leaguecraft guides. Surely you can see the difference there?

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I like zerk greaves on Irelia!!!

2000 elo player don’t play GP for real, they do it for the LOLz just like me.

GP isn’t useless in team fights, what do you mean you no damage with IE, you Ult/Raise Morale/Parley then into melee Spam parley and eat your lime if you have to…

most of the kills I made on GP is in melee or with my useless cannonball…if you play GP like running in circle waiting for Parley to cooldown, you playing him wrong.

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FeelnoFear pretty much exclusively plays GP and has for quite some time. Gangplank was also picked up in quite a few tournament games. He’s a very strong character.

You are also the King of ninja edits ;)

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Alright alright, just saying in case anyone else got confused.

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Yea I linked the math for all the Gold/5 items back up in my original post.

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I am not a big fan of Vamp Scepter starts, for ranged champs, I agree, you don’t get enough regen off of it to make it worthwhile, and melee champs are just too easily zoned out, even Nasus with his inherent life steal and a scepter will still find himself dead.

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If you run into the middle of any competent team as GP you will be instantly gibbed, either by an Exhaust or by focused attacks.

Also don’t call your Ult useless in one sentence and then say it’s a huge part of playing him in a teamfight in the other. His Ult is amazing and it’s the reason you can sit farming most of the game, because it’s your most useful skill until you get super farmed and you can cast it Globally.

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If you run into the middle of any competent team as GP you will be instantly gibbed, either by an Exhaust or by focused attacks.

Also don’t call your Ult useless in one sentence and then say it’s a huge part of playing him in a teamfight in the other. His Ult is amazing and it’s the reason you can sit farming most of the game, because it’s your most useful skill until you get super farmed and you can cast it Globally.

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and he is only 1800, if we gonna use him as an example, we might as well have chiffy come in and give us the build for GP, chiffy close to same rank as him.

Bunny, very disappointed in you because you couldn’t get chiffy out of afk to watch that 1 hour long game stream.

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I don’t think Chiffy cares to see a one hour long game with smurfs.

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I didn’t want to smurf, lazy insist that we will lose so he decided to smurf instead play on his normal account, he even queue dodge after I picked GP first time around…

then we ran into that team, they had 3 30 with like 600+ wins, and basically their team just BD…

I think it’s a bad idea to jungle with newbie in the team, because if one of 30 is jungling that mean one of newbies would have to take either solo lane or 2 newbie lanes…

Especially since there is a gangplank there is almost no reason to jungle in that case because we can either zone out their 1vs2 lane or starve him. At same time keep the creeps on our side of lane with Raise morale.

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This is how I know you don’t do anything but troll in this thread!

In that stupid long game we played, yes Alistar (and thier entire team) was building just to backdoor the entire game.

Also, we were on smurfs and playing with lower level people because if idrisz plays Gangplank against a team of experienced level 30s it is a recipe for inevitable loss. You basically start with one less tower and have to 4v5 all game because idrisz will do literally nothing to ever help your team, except crow about the kills he steals with his ult. Note that he will NEVER use his ult at the start of a teamfight to help, only after you’ve won 4v5 to steal kills. At least if he is laning against a level 11 Sivir who’s 3 levels below him because her lanemate ran off to gank other lanes he won’t feed so much. And he rushes chalice as his first item. I mean, come on.

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I perfected Killstealing with my cannonball, I even got Pogo to thank me for KS his kill with a cannon on the next game.

the fiddlestick had like 50 health left, and I ult and hit him with the first cannon ball…

lazy, how am I suppose to get any kills if I Ult early, unless I go AP GP, I caculated that if I go 5 AA and death cap, my ult can do 10000 damages if all 25 cannon ball hits.!!!

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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

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Cannonballs should be skillshots where you just click maniacally within a certain area trying to do as much damage as possible.

I thanked idrisz because 1) I never called out that now would be a good time to cannonball, meaning idrisz was paying attention to what was going on, and 2) the possibility existed that I could have died, because Fiddle’s life drain was going to be coming back up and I had no mana (as Xin) which meant I had no burst at the time and it would have been autoattack attrition versus his life drain.