League of Legends

idrisz · 2011-03-13T21:44:20.000Z

I think rammus/zilean is probably a must ban for me.

Hanacker · 2011-03-13T21:46:35.000Z

I always ban Jarvan since I dont want him showing up on my team. Or the other team if the guy knows how to use him well. Also nobody understands the “We have first pick so don’t ban Amumu and I’ll trade you for him if the other guy doesn’t ban him” logic.

McKnight · 2011-03-13T22:05:02.000Z

Hanacker:

I hate the “ban all the decent tanks” metagame in low-mid Elo ranked games now. Just leads to terrible team comps in low Elo since nobody ever knows how to play a second tier tank. I guess I should play singed more but sometimes I just don’t feel like it.

Nobody bans Singed at your elo? 0_o

Hanacker · 2011-03-13T22:16:50.000Z

It’s like Walter said - Shen, Rammus, Malphite, Amumu - every single game. And yeah, I should probably just play Singed all the time.

forgeforsaken · 2011-03-13T22:20:42.000Z

The worst part is at low elo these aren’t the toughest guys to even deal with. I play lots of games in normal where you face them and it’s not terrible or anything but they are always banned in low elo ranked. Then someone on the other team takes Twitch or Eve and just stomps. Low elo still can’t deal with stealth characters and those two at that level would be much better bans. There’s a few other characters that just roll low elo as well that never get banned.

Hanacker · 2011-03-13T22:34:01.000Z

I wonder if Elementz’ list moving off of the official forums has made it less of the low-mid Elo bible? Malph is nowhere near the top on his Solo Queue or Draft Mode Tier list.

Also, I thought Irelia was FOTM OP, but I don’t see her all that much recently. Well, I see her quite a bit, but not every game and never banned like most fotm champs.

Lazy_Shiftless_Basta · 2011-03-13T23:00:03.000Z

Walter Yarbrough:

A bit of critique on my builds, please - for ranked games - 5v5

Which has me trying out Garen -

It seems like this is a good build for him - comments welcome

Doran’s shield - Boots of Swiftness -> Tiamats -> Phantom Dancer -> Atma’s Impaler -> Zeal -> Infinity’s Edge

Tank Mundo build is the usual build there, which is pretty solid. However you’ll definately need an Atma’s as your last item if the game goes that long, if you don’t want to be ignored.

Garen… well. Tiamat is terrible for Garen, and by that I mean more terrible for him than it is for anyone else. The mana regen is completely wasted, and his damage combo is spiiiiiiin DEMACIA! His spin doesn’t work with Tiamat and already does AoE damage, and his ult also doesn’t gain anything from Tiamat. As mentioned you don’t have the life for Atma’s to really help you there. The attack speed from Phantom Dancer and Zeal doesn’t help you spin and ult either.

The build I use for Garen that still lets me usually get enough kills to make fun of everyone else on my team goes something like:
Doran’s Shield > Heart of Gold > Avarice Blade > Merc Treads > Sunfire Cape > Hexdrinker > Ghostblade > Randuin’s Omen > replace Shield with Force of Nature
If laning looks like it might be easy because of my lanemate/enemy I might start with a Ruby Crystal and go straight for a HoG with an early return to base when I have the ducats. That is more tanky deeps, if you wanted to try building more damage skip the HoG and try getting IE after the Sunfire Cape. The Sunfire Cape synergizes perfectly with Judgement since both work by just running into the enemy and hanging out, and more tankiness lets you hang out there longer.

Anti-Bunny · 2011-03-14T00:08:17.000Z

I almost had a pentakill today.

Almost because of Idiriz stealing the last kill. :(

idrisz · 2011-03-14T00:10:56.000Z

Intentionally, I pray to LOL god with all my heart that my blowdart would shoot faster!!!

then it came true, because I got the message

“ACED!!!”

maxle · 2011-03-14T00:19:26.000Z

So I tried Nasus for the first time–well, first time I remember, really–tonight and I quite like him. But what I like more than Nasus is A: doing stupid things that B: Idris yells at me for which then C: work out perfectly. BunnyWick was alone mid, because everyone else had died or been driven off, and there were four of the enemy, so I ran out of the bush straight at their carry, greeted by Idris’ cries of, “Why are you going in!!!” Ten seconds later, I’m dead, but so are three of them, and bunny’s chased the last one off.

And then there was the team fight mid where I run at Ashe, she goes down like a chump, and then I run after malphite who’s at, like, no health, chased by Idris’ cries of “WHY ARE YOU GOING AFTER MALPHITE, SERIOUSLY!” I finally run the Rock’s cowardly ass down two steps short of the fountain and pwn him with the power of q, at which point I start poking their nexus with said power. Warwick and Jarvan come at me from mid–apparently my scrub teammates can’t win a teamfight even after I explode the enemy carry and chase off their tank, as only ChiffyRoka is up on my side–so I go wtfpwn the wolfman and Jarvan runs like a scared little kid. Then ChiffyRoka and I take the nexus.

Yeah, I’m basically the greatest.

chequers · 2011-03-14T00:36:08.000Z

You mean Nasus. Nasus is basically the greatest.

MrCoffee · 2011-03-14T00:40:31.000Z

How’s jungling nasus? i never seen or tried it and it sound decent with his lifesteal passive.

Anti-Bunny · 2011-03-14T00:40:54.000Z

Nasus is pretty great. And Idrisz, you are the worst kind of person. A person that intentionally steals a pentakill.

Jungling Nasus works, technically, but he is much better in lane.

Hanacker · 2011-03-14T00:51:57.000Z

Nasus needs to farm and last hit so his q can do ridiculous damage late game.

And I was going through my ranked stats and my highest damage per game character is Amumu. That just seems wrong since Abyssal is usually the only AP item I ever buy. I guess that’s why he’s always banned…

Hanacker · 2011-03-14T00:59:13.000Z

I was going through my ranked stats and my highest damage per game character is Amumu. That just seems wrong since Abyssal is usually the only AP item I ever buy. I guess that’s why he’s always banned…

MrCoffee · 2011-03-14T01:00:30.000Z

He still does a lot of damage with his crying and all that.

Calistas · 2011-03-14T05:02:46.000Z

Loving Akali, but I either gank (eg, 8/1/9 and they surrender) or get ganked. Team comp is extremely important and a competent tank or two seems pretty much required.

Building her as per the “Akali by the numbers” guide on leaguecraft, which is handy, but going long sword instead of dorans item so I can easily get to 10ad and still afford a potion.

Runes are M-pen, dodge and AP/level. Need an AP quint or two to pop my AP up above the threshold sooner. Masteries are 9/21.

Loving zipping into combat, ganking and then dropping smoke and wither waiting for an opportunity or pulling back before deciding whether to go in again. Very cool.

Walter_Yarbrough · 2011-03-14T06:27:45.000Z

Thanks for the comments, guys - I’ll test out some of these other builds.

McKnight · 2011-03-14T07:51:04.000Z

Hanacker:

Nasus needs to farm and last hit so his q can do ridiculous damage late game.

And I was going through my ranked stats and my highest damage per game character is Amumu. That just seems wrong since Abyssal is usually the only AP item I ever buy. I guess that’s why he’s always banned…

Abyssal + Blue Elixir puts you over 100AP, which makes you take away 3.7% of everythings health every second in an AoE around you. Crying seriously hurts but then it should, it’s your only real damage skill.

bluemax · 2011-03-14T09:23:49.000Z

Hanacker:

I wonder if Elementz’ list moving off of the official forums has made it less of the low-mid Elo bible? Malph is nowhere near the top on his Solo Queue or Draft Mode Tier list.

Also, I thought Irelia was FOTM OP, but I don’t see her all that much recently. Well, I see her quite a bit, but not every game and never banned like most fotm champs.

It does kind of seem that way. I see a lot less of people rushing flavor of the month champs and more of people either building balanced team comps or just sticking to their favorites.

I do agree that there are better bans at low/mid elo than the tanks, like basically any high quality ganker/jungler. I think banning tanks is just people’s reaction to tanky DPS (while ignoring a lot of the other tanky DPS like Renekton).