1901

Thank you. I’m sure it’ll be great fun.

Alas, it’s hockey night, not only in Canada but here in Vermont, as well, so any game will have to wait until the Wings and Pens have figured things out.

1902

And friend everyone you play with in the group.

1903

Thanks to everyone for letting me tag along last night. Had a fun couple of Versus games. It really did feel like 1999 again. Hadn’t played any organized shooter multiplayer since QWCTF/Q3CTF. It’s a lot easier to get a game going now but most of the stuff is exactly the same!

Unfortunately, the backlog must go on and I’m carefully trying not to, err, alert the wife with too much late night multiplayer, since shooting her in the head is not an option. I’ll probably keep the game installed through the end of the week in case anyone’s looking for an 8th player.

1904

Sorry I stranded you guys without an 8th man tonight, but those were some bad teams. No-one really wanted to switch the teams it seemed so I figured I could let someone else play instead of complaining, I didn’t realize there was no-one else available to play.

1905

wtf do you mean no one wanted to switch the teams? All you needed to do was say something - I was ready to switch sides

1906

Jab said something, I was just waiting for someone to leave so someone else could switch. So I was just sitting there waiting for someone to switch but instead you guys started running the level. I don’t see why team-switching can’t happen unless I specifically say something about it, it obviously needed to be done.

EDIT: Besides, people always complain when I say teams need to be switched and rag on me for it later, so fuck it. I’m taking a play out of some other player’s books and I’m just going to leave if the teams are fucked and no-one else cares, it’s not worth an hour of my time getting my ass kicked and I’m sick of being the person that always has to complain about it.

1907

I think there should be a call vote option to switch the teams up, like going to a temporary lobby just to move everyone around. As it is really unintuitive to do the whole leave/ M key deal.

1908

People are getting way too butthurt over a vidya gaem.

1909

Return to Castle Wolfenstein was doing this right about 7 years ago.

1910

  1. Problem is, you complain about it before there’s even any evidence of a problem. Here’s a solution, don’t complain. Instead, state your opinions based on evidence acquired during the round. Not every ‘stacked’ team has the teamwork necessary to prevail. I play frequently with a good friend of mine, who’s a great player and has awesome hit-scan abilities. However, together, we mix like oil and water and neither of our strengths compensate for the fact that we think and maneuver very differently.

  2. If, after evidence, you feel teams are unbalanced then say so. And say it in global chat, so everyone can give their opinion and buy in. Last night, I was willing to switch up teams just to alleviate your concerns, if you had any. But you didn’t say anything. Jab was saying you were complaining in pm, but…I don’t know wtf you were saying to him. Were you really upset, were you just letting off steam, were you fucking outraged? I had no clue. I eventually went with the assumption that you were not that upset about it because you were containing your conversation to just him. Then your team-mates were saying it’s fine, so I also figured you were talking with them. Finally, I also wasn’t sure the teams were that unbalanced. In the first round, we scored 300 more points than you. 300. Yes, 3 people survived, but 2 were red w/o medpacks or pills, and i was black and white. I consider that a pretty thin margin - and perhaps the only reason we didn’t win that first round was because we had the advantage of knowing where the tank spawned and your team didnt.

  3. Bailing on your friends in a fit of pique isn’t cool. I will spare you a monologue on the whole ‘my time is more important to me than yours is to you’ thing.

1911

  1. I don’t complain before there is any evidence. I used to, maybe like 5 months ago, but I stopped. Now I wait for a round to pass if no-one else brings anything up.

  2. The problem with this is that no-one other than me seems to care really. I can’t play L4D if my team is getting blown out, but the other 3 members of my team did not seem to mind. Houngan stated in global chat that he didn’t want to switch the teams, the other 2 members said nothing. there was also no team communication whatsoever, no-one had a mic and no-one reads the team text chat in-game. Jab suggested team switching, Houngan shot it down, no-one else said anything, and the game began. You survived that round because there was no teamwork whatsoever on our team before or after the Tank.

  3. I already apologized for “bailing”. If I realized that there was no-one to replace me I wouldn’t have left, and I would have re-joined had I known that the teams were immediately balanced in my absence. I don’t think my time is more valuable than your time, I think that my leisure time which I choose to spend playing a game at night in the scant hours I have off from work should not be frustrating for me, I get enough stress from other sources.

EDIT: And you can’t pull out the “stacked teams don’t always work together well” card, you, Jab, Lazy and Tman play together well all the time.

1912

  1. True, you did before and didn’t last night.

  2. Actually, most if not all, of our side cared - so next time, just speak up :P

  3. When involved in group activities, “my time” “your time” “his time” and “her time” blend together to become “our time”. I like to think we can work together to make ‘our time’ as fun as possible.

EDIT: I don’t think i’ve ever played one game on the same team as Jab, Lazy and tman so :P

1913

Come on guys. The zombies are the real enemy.

1914

We/you guys work well together in pub smashes, although I guess any group of semi-skilled people looks good in a pub smash.

1915

Staff stop posting and start the damn lobby.

;)

1916

For the match in question, I recall team changes being brought up after the first round, and as mentioned, they barely made it in with two stomped survivors. There just wasn’t a reason to do so at the time, we could have pulled our shit together and won the next round, but then quitting kept seesawing the teams back and forth.

It happens. I’ve presided over many a stomping from the other end, and usually a small margin of victory is frantic and feels like you had to work and get lucky to pull it off. If we’re closing down the other team ten feet from spawn, then yes, the teams need to change. But if they make it 90% and we make it 100%, thems the breaks, until it happens three or four times in a row.

H.

1917

I never get to play with Jab because of arbitrary perceptions. What the fuck.

I’ll have to say that one round where some survivors die on one team, while the other team gets wiped out, is probably not a good metric to start teamswitches. There’s always context in a full-on teamwipe, as well. Maybe there was some really critical error, like a bad splitup, that got the whole team vulnerable to a lucky/opportunistic sweeping incap due to 3 hunters/ 1 smoker spawn. That kinda stuff happens even to the best of teams.

1918

Heh, suits me, that means I always get to play with one of you. :-)

H.

1919

I agree with Pogo- you win some you lose some, as long as I can talk trash a few times a game I’m happy.
NOMNOMNOM

1920

Arbitrary perceptions? lol. The presence of Pogo on a team means that 50% of all hunters will be shot out of the air before landing, even if they are jumping nowhere near the survivors. (seriously Pogo, stop taking the HR and scanning the horizons/far away buildings)

EDIT: Come to think of it, if we dig through the thread I believe Pogo was actually the one that started the “kill Jab first” meme, hmmm…