This is a small part of the world that create a disproportionate big number of problems.
Fuck the middle east.
Says the superman in his high castle, observing the world with a diffident air.
IMHO, the best way to do this is to kill the fossil fuel/oil market.
Certainly no hyperbole from your side of the argument.
If you want to see how mainstream Israelis regard what’s going on in Gaza, it’s worthwhile to checkout Haaretz: A Predictable Bloodbath in Gaza: Israel Did Not Lift a Finger to Prevent Lethal Clashes - Israel News - Haaretz.com
If Israelis ever gain full control over all of the Holy Land, Christians will step in and take it from them. After all, they’re Jews 2.0, and thus twice as deserving!
Us Jews are the old grognards of the Abrahamic faiths. Six-pointed stars/tiles or GTFO!
Just the subheading is a more thoughtful and informed analysis than most of this thread.
You guys get so agitated when there’s a Republican president! Maybe I should mute the forum until 2020.
When did that happen? We have Trump.
Which killed no one. The IDF straight up murdered almost 60 people yesterday.
What is Israel doing to relieve the hellish living conditions of the average Palestinian?
According to the Jewish Virtual Library, Palestinian terrorism has killed 3,791 Israelis since the creation of the Israeli state in 1948. Israel has killed more Palestinians than that… just since 2000.
A Palestinian kid throws a rock at the giant border wall out of frustration then has his leg blown in half by a sniper a mile away.
Israel is taking what little prime real estate Palestinians had and forcing them out to let other Israelis settle there.
Let’s talk about the Gaza Strip:
An extensive Israeli buffer zone within the Strip renders much land off-limits to Gaza’s Palestinians. Gaza is often referred to as overcrowded. The population is expected to increase to 2.1 million in 2020. By that time, Gaza may be rendered unlivable if present trends continue. Due to the Israeli and Egyptian border closures and the Israeli sea and air blockade, the population is not free to leave or enter the Gaza Strip, nor allowed to freely import or export goods.
I mean. What are those people supposed to think or do when they have no freedom? They are trapped, like an animal in a zoo.
I understand being scared of terrorism. But I could line up plenty more items that demonstrates the Israeli Government is doing some of the exact same things to the Palestinian people that the Nazi’s did to them. Maybe if Netenyahu had to live in the slums of the Gaza strip, with no escape and no hope he’d have a clue why they’re so angry (besides the fact they had their homeland taken away).
If you think I’m being biased somehow, please read the BBC’s latest article:
I’m totally pro-Jewish everything, but I think the Israeli government is turning into the enemy it once hated.
Image needs to be edited slightly.
Hey, I was watching that.
But is Ha’aretz even mainstream anymore? I look at the knesset right now, and I count 29/120 members from parties that are Jewish and willing to even consider making any compromises to achieve peace.
Israel is shitty and so are the people who oppose them.
But we somehow if you think the US should just leave it alone (or even say anything mildly negative about Israel) you’re pro-Holocaust.
I’ve read the Hamas Charter, read about the wars Israel won, and seen the graphs of Jewish populations in Arab countries, which I don’t need to link because you know how to find them.
Im also very close to the deep seated, inherent, cultural anti-Semitism across the ummah I know from my lived experience as a Muslim, which manifests even in those I admire and support like Malaysian election hero Dr Mahathir Bin Mohamad, whose comments on “hook nosed Jews” “controlling the world” are a matter of record.
I’m not sure what evidence you are offering as proof of your magical future of peace and co-existence.
You claim that Jewish populations in Arab countries are low because of “ethnic cleansing”. This implies some kind of genocide to me, which is either a total lie or a total imaginary thing you made up in your head.
The reason Jewish populations are not large by percentage are this:
-
There just aren’t that many Jewish people. There are about 16 million worldwide, less than the Sihk religion.
-
Most Jewish people today (80+%) live in Israel or the US. The rest are scattered all around. There are never going to be, and have never been, that many Jewish people living in Arabia. There are about 230 million Arabic speakers compared to a tiny, tiny Jewish population.
-
More Jewish people used to live Arabian/Muslim countries, as well as Europe. When Israel was established in 1948 there was a mass migration from other areas to Israel, even from America but especially from Arabian countries. Israel, in keeping with religious tradition, even calls this an exodus.
So please stop talking about Arab/Muslim countries “ethnically cleansing” Jewish people. You are jumping to wild, crazy conclusions based on misreading statistics you aren’t even citing.
The Jews left because of persecution.
I really don’t know what you are basing your future of equality and peaceful co-existence for Jews under Muslim rule on. It flies in the face of history.
The Jews won, and the only future without Israel is one where a billion Muslims and 200 cities exist as radioactive ash. I just don’t care for a violent Salafist state enough to wish for this.
Jews were treated better by the Ottomans than by Christian kingdoms. Granted, that was centuries ago.
Israel need to be ostracized for this. And maybe not only Israel.
Again, it’s important I think to remember that one, the problem is not inherently about religion, and two, the particular problem we are dealing with today is a very recent phenomenon, historically speaking.
The root of the problem is the post-WWI colonialism of the British and French, and its intersection with the Zionist movement coming out of Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Colonialism, most would agree, falls into the category of “thinks we now see as pretty bad, and which probably should have been seen as bad even then,” but history is much more ambivalent when looking at Zionism. After all, the very real persecution of Jews in Europe, and the history of Jews in general in the centuries sense the fall of the Temple create a pretty compelling case for some form of nationalist movement.
It’s the way the colonialists offered the Zionists a pathway to an actual chunk of territory, conveniently carved out of the corpse of the Ottoman Empire, that set things up the way we know them now. While Zionists had been filtering into region while it was under Ottoman control–and this period is hotly contested between historians who view Jewish immigration into the region favorably, and see it as legitimate, and those who do the opposite–it wasn’t until the Brits acted on the Balfour Declaration after WWI and oversaw the de-facto creation of a Jewish proto-state in mandatory Palestine that the shit really hit the fan.
The flashpoints were not based on religion directly, though it played a role. The early Zionists were more likely to be socialist and atheist than devout Jews; for many, the important thing was to have a place without pogroms, where they could practice their form of largely collectivist community free of uhlans lancing them for fun. The early opposition to them, and pretty much all the opposition for the next many decades, was based mostly on resistance to dispossession, competition for land and resources, and competing visions of how the region should develop, politically, economically, and socially. Religion was used on both sides to justify actions and rally support, but the leaders of both the Jewish Agency (later Israel) and the various Arab communities in the region were hardly theologians. Even the rather loathsome Mufti of Jerusalem was more a civic and political leader than anything religious, even though he used a lot of religious rhetoric (it didn’t help him much, in the end).
One can argue, of course, that subsequent events across the decades have changed the landscape, and that now religion is much more a force in this conflict. Hard to deny that. But I do still think that the obstacles to peace are not rooted in Torah vs. Koran. They’re rooted in the ownership of land, the distribution of power, and the impossibility of co-locating two radically different social visions in the same physical space. If, by some miracle, you could solve the secular problems in the region, I’m betting the religious stuff would rapidly fade away, considering there is substantial support for co-existence within both religious traditions. It’s just that it’s damn hard for either side to do that when everything else is in flux.