Aceris
4375
You guys all know that “quarter” does not mean the same period everywhere in the world either right? Or even for different companies in the same country? It’s actually less inclusive in general! It’s a clearer way to communicate within a single company where the terms are clearly defined, but I think the benefit of precision in that context is actually greater than the benefit of avoiding hemisphere based ambiguity…
I’ve seen Q1 cused to mean Jan - Mar, Feb - Apr, or Apr - Jun, for example.
It’s about as offensive as wishing people good morning on a global call.
ShivaX
4377
Because that’s how language works?
Because she brought morality into it.
Again, the quote itself brought morality into it.
No because running isn’t a moral question. Inclusivity is. Not being inclusive is being bigoted.
Bigotry is a moral issue.
Oh most assuredly. But the reality is that the Right is fighting a purely cultural war at this point. They no longer have an ideology, so instead they point to things that most people think is stupid and paint the Democratic party with it. Even more sadly, it works and they know it works.
To be fair they’ve always done that to some extent, but now it’s all they do. Most people don’t pay attention to politics so this is the fight we’re in. And it’s also why of all the threads in this subforum there is only basically this thread compared to dozens of threads for the Right. It’s mostly a thread of silly and stupid crap, compared to treason, fascism and racism. Certainly a lighter thread in that context. I mean you don’t see it getting bumped multiple times every day and filled with horrific shit said by people in power. Which is reassuring really.
I would pay 5 dollars a gallon just to create more incentive to drive a fuel efficient car, or have people just drive less in general and maybe use public transportation.
We only keep democracy in America if we’re willing to do whatever it takes to keep it.
Hopefully it doesn’t mean we have to do bad things, but it might.
I mean, yes? Whenever we talk to our India offices, it’s just kinda polite to say “Good evening”, or acknowledge that they’re up early or working late.
Matt_W
4381
Yeah, I don’t get this either. If you come across some prescription by a random liberal on twitter pointing out a potential issue that you don’t actually think is a big deal, you can:
- Agree with them and try to change the way you speak.
- Disagree that it’s a real issue and go about your day. (For the record, I’m not going to spend a lot of effort avoiding talk about seasons, even with my southern hemisphere colleagues.)
- Get really mad that they’re trying to shame you and go on the internet to describe how stupid they are.
Reaction 3 seems either really defensive or deliberately antagonistic.
That’s the point, it’s nice to be considerate but not like you’re some kind of monster otherwise. It’s not an inclusiveness thing.
JD
4383
Same for our team when we do calls with someone from a distant timezone. Would anyone take offense? Probably not. But it would feel pretty damn ignorant.
ShivaX
4384
Now for something related to a liberal in power actually doing something stupid:
But also:
Qmanol
4385
I mean… yes it is? By deliberately calling out the different timezones you’re acknowledging and including people in those timezones.
Isn’t being inclusive also just trying to make people feel acknowledged and considered instead of ignored/snubbed? It’s not all high stakes anti discrimination lawsuit fodder, right?
Not really. It’s whatever time where you are. I’d respond with whatever time it is for me. If you want to feel snubbed because someone didn’t call out your time zone, that’s fine I guess?
Scuzz
4387
If you feel bad because your own individual situation isn’t always called out or addressed then maybe the problem is with you. Life just isn’t that inclusive and probably never will be in your (I know it won’t in mine) lifetime. I don’t say this to be negative, just to be realistic.
So who exactly was upset, offended, outraged, etc? Anyone? Wasn’t the original tweet just introducing a type of considerate language that some people may not have thought about before?
I swear to fuck, all day long on the internet, people make up imaginary people getting offended so that they too can get offended.
I agree, hence this thread!
sounds like you are getting offended
jostly
4391
No, it’s how context works. There’s nothing in the word “inclusive” that implies a moral judgement.
Only in the context where inclusive language implies a moral judgement. Which by the tweet itself, isn’t an implied context. It might be your default context, but it most definitely isn’t a universal context.
So you’re saying that everyone who doesn’t follow the advice of that tweet is bigoted? That seems excessive.
Usually I don’t think “Liberals also say and do stupid shit” actually features liberals doing stupid shit, but this is going to blow up:
Even though the full essay has some context that makes it a little less egregious, it’s concluding paragraphs does in fact include the really bad quotes that the right-wing media is promoting. This guy is a perfect woke bogeyman for the right: he has an important-sounding job at Google and would be easy to portray as the face of the cabal behind the tech giants’ persecution of conservatives. Unfortunately for progressives, his essay smoothly elides familiar concerns for the rights of Palestinians into unmistakably anti-semitic rhetoric. Good rule of thumb: don’t title an essay “If I Were a Jew.”
magnet
4393
Yeah, the full essay starts by describing “the insatiable appetite for vengeful violence that Israel, my homeland, has now acquired”.
Gentlemen, you can’t accuse Israel of warmongering. This is how you start a fight with @IsraelWarRoom.
No no no --we don’t do “whatever it takes” what does that even mean? Was storming the capitol some version of protecting democracy? Its not “whatever it takes” its deeper than that. Good heavans.
We are in a crisis atm … even with Biden calming things down. What it means to be American… what it means to trust our institutions.
Tom Jefferson may have had it right (he had a lotta things wrong --god help him) but he said --approximately --that every generation should rewrite the constitution. Sometimes I agree with that.
And sometimes I agree that our original founders (for all their faults and hypocrisy) had it write the first time.
