5341

Hush youse. Give 'em a break. It’s tough enough already equivalencing when on one side the idiots and crazies are for the most part kept on the fringes and on the other the idiots and crazies are (checks notes) in Congress, on the Supreme Court and (formerly thankfully) the President of the United States.

5342

Truth.

5343

I’m new to this thread, are we criticizing liberals from the left or from the right?

5344

We’re criticizing people who aren’t liberals; or, when they are, they’re not prominent liberals. It’s all part of bothsiderism, a fun game that anyone can enjoy with no real experience required. You, too, can claim that random Twitter cat lady is as big a problem for our politics as Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz.

5345

uhh okay so the thread is for discussing what twitter thinks is problematic ableism today but not for discussing something like liberal politicians not doing anything about healthcare?

5346

It’s just a thread for posting really dumb things that folks on the left say. That’s literally all it is. It’s the one thread for posting that kind of crazy stuff.

It’s also funny because it, absolutely without fail, will trigger no true Scotsman arguments from certain members of the forum.

5347

Got it, thanks

5348

Liberals are centrists typically. American politics is very warped.

5349

Yeah, I consider liberals to be center / center-right.

5350

Would it be better if we made a thread about The Left, The Hated Left? That way there’s less confusion.

5351

More “you literally had to dig up an australian twitter socialist saying kind of routine hyperbole in order to find someone to dunk on” than “no true scotsman”.

5352

It’s funny that anyone thinks we need a safe space to shitpost about crazy people on the left. It’s not like you can’t do that in the thread on the economy or the thread on health care or the thread on Biden’s presidency or the thread on the corrupt GOP or the thread on pizza for that matter.

5353

“Full-throated Defenders of Pol Pot”

5354

Right, but how does that help defeat Trump? You sound like some kind of capitalist-roader counterrevolutionary.

5355

We’ve literally had people say that elected officials, people running for office and members of their staff “don’t count”.

His “no true Scotsman” statement happens every time anyone posts anything to this thread.

But this post that’s right here it never happens. Nor does it happen the other 200 hundred times it’s happened. I literally changed the name of the thread because it happened so often and it still happens.

I’m tempted to change it again, but I know it wont matter because nothing matters and even if AOC says something stupid, it’s not relevant (literally happened in this thread) because Fox News exists and Kavanaugh is on the SCOTUS or she’s not really a liberal she’s a socialist so it doesn’t count and etc, etc.

I randomly picked the first post that I couldn’t even see and it was a No True Scotsman post.

5356

It’s super weird, because there seems to be this idea that in a thread titled “liberals say stupid things”, any post here is about them personally, and that there needs be some defence mustered to explain why some person doing something stupid isn’t REALLY liberal… Or isn’t really that important a person, so don’t talk about them!

It’s just a stupid liberal saying something stupid. Point and laugh at them for their idiocy. That’s what this thread is. It’s not some grand condemnation of the entire left wing of the political spectrum.

5357

I think part of it is how places like Fox News take these sorts of things and paint everyone to the left of Reagan with them.

Which is a fair thing to be concerned about. But my position is that the better defense is to also laugh at those people.

Leftist Person: “Stupid shit.”
Right Wing: “Look at this stupid shit.”
Liberal: “Haha, that is stupid.”
versus
Liberal: “Well, technically that person isn’t really one of us and if you examine…”

5358

Well the main issue some have with it is a blanket objection to tweets from random idiots regardless of political stripe. Unless it is an example of some broader trend, and not a drive by point and laugh at the idiot.

5359

Sure, you can call Scott’s post pointing out the random Australian on twitter is a socialist not a liberal as a no true scotsman. Though there are certainly progressive and socailists who would be offended to be called liberal, and of course when we’re bringing in other countries liberal has a totally different meaning. Also Scott literally mentioned to some there’s no difference.

So, scrolling up from there nobody gave any sort of no true Scotsman to the Eric Adams post. It got a mention of context at best.

Then we have Andrew Yang, which I guess was no true Scotsmanned, but literally by the person posting it so, um, does that even count?

Then we had Whoopi. Doesn’t appear to be a single no true Scotsman there. Had some interesting conversation from it. I liked the pajamafication article.

Some random post about mayor that didn’t seem to get any reaction at all much less a no true Scotsman.

Then we had an article about a CA law making people ask for take out silverware and condiments. Not a single no true Scotsman, just some discussion about the topic.

Then we had the “don’t weigh me” cards (which was introduced as maybe sort of liberal or adjacent in the first place). That also just had some interesting discussion.

Then we had the “revisit New York Times v Sullivan” tweets, which also got no “no true Scotsman” posts or really any discussion at all. Probably because the posted follow up tweets about said it all.

Then we had an episode of “Tankies” where there was discussion of their broad reach. I don’t see anyone no true Scotts-manning the “random tankie idiot” whose tweet was posted. He was fully acknowledged by everyone as a random tankie idiot.

Then an article about the possibility of Trump being banned from running in 2024, which was met with skepticism as clickbaity.

Then we had an article about Hilary 2024. Which was also derided as low energy media clickbait.

That’s all the topics so far this year, and the only real “no true Scotsman” is just that recent post pointing out that some consider liberal and socailist to be different things.

5360

Why?

This thread is, again, not some grand condemnation of the left wing. It’s just stupid shit to laugh at. It just happens to go in this sub forum because it’s political.

In this most recent case, it was some Australian author with over a hundred thousand followers on Twitter, so it’s not exactly just some total rando… But at the same time, it could totally just be a total rando

And you don’t need to feel bad. They aren’t you. They don’t represent you. You can just laugh at them for saying something so dumb.