Andrew Yang and his Forward Party effort are big on “why don’t we all just get along” ideas.

He is really hoping for ranked choice voting, but with no way to convince the leading two parties to try it.

And his recent Lincoln themed push doesn’t really make his case when he notes the “reasonable and accommodating” leader had a VP of the opposition party who took over after his death with results which didn’t exactly fulfill his emancipation intent.

“Remember when Lincoln tried to get along with traitors, was assassinated then we had Jim Crow and the traitors mostly got off the hook? That’s my plan.”

I know I will hate myself for this, but are ignorant egotistical techbros like Yang actually liberals?

They’re probably classical liberals.

Maybe libertarians.

My totally speculative opinion is that they tend to start as liberals or become liberals when they move to the Bay Area, and then as they get rich, rather than becoming conservative (because, honestly, Republicans these days, ugh) so they drift to something else. I guess classical liberal / libertarian works, because that let’s them feel good about all the money they have.

Is Kelton or the other MMT theorists calling for tax increases right now? Isn’t this when MMT says the govt should use tax increases to control inflation? Inflation is at highest level in 40+ years due to supply chain problems but also do to the massive $$$ fed spending from CARES in 2020 to ARPA and other bills since. (Yes part of inflation drivers is supply chain/putin. But a large part is fed spending/ez money. US had a much more generous fiscal/monetary policy compared to EU and it shows inflation numbers.

This came up in another thread.

Of course they fucking don’t, all the stuff about “oh we’d raise taxes” was bullshit, and everyone with a clue always knew it was bullshit, which is precisely why MMT doesnt work.

Does it? Germany’s inflation rate is at a decades high level of 7.3%. UK is at 6.5% U.S. is a little higher at 8.5% but all are much higher than is typical. It’s not like Europe has escaped inflation’s scourge.

My plumber said if you have a clogged toilet, the solution is to snake it, but now she’s recommending to fix that broken pipe instead. Her snake advice was always bullshit which is precisely why plumbing doesn’t work.

Put simply Kelton specifically is calling for analyzing the cause of inflation and then responding to it. If inflation is caused by too much money in the economy, then sure increase taxes. If it’s caused by too few goods, then raising taxes will just turn the screws.

The point is, when it comes to explaining our current bout of high inflation, there’s no dearth of right answers. There are many forces at work. To bring inflation back down, we need more than a catalogue of everything that matters. As I keep saying, the policy response to fighting inflation should be tailored to the diagnosis. There is no one-size-fits-all solution to the inflation problem.

There are things we can do to enhance price stability in the short-term—getting past the pandemic, eliminating non-strategic tariffs, unclogging ports, licensing more truck drivers, negotiating prescription drug costs and moving to Medicare for All, to name just a few. Longer term—by which I mean years, not decades—we need to restore domestic manufacturing capacity and move away from fossil fuels. We need to build millions of units of affordable and sustainable housing and invest heavily in mass transit. We must start now.

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Because it’s not about “how do I fix inflation”. It’s about “Can a state operating MMT be trusted not to get addicted to politically easy indirect taxation of asset holders”.

The whole thesis of MMT is that you can trust the government to indirectly tax capital through seignorage-driven fiscal expansion because if there is inflation they will indirectly subsidize capital through anti-seignorage(*) alongside fiscal contraction.

Obviously this was always a lie because MMT advocates in general want to indirectly tax capital and certainly never want to indirectly subsidize it. Which is why MMT will never work, because everyone will act on the assumption that a state operating MMT will always find an excuse not to raise taxes and perform anti-seignorage. So when inflation occurs and the immediate reaction of prominent MMT advocates is to say “oh we didn’t mean that kind of inflation” it just confirms pre-existing prjudices that already doomed MMT to failure.

(*: The fact that there is, as far as I know, no term for this is revealing of how it is unprecedented and probably would be a really bad idea).

EDIT: The reason governments issue debt in the first place is 33% muscle memory from the time when money was backed by precious metal, 33% because states need to buy stuff from abroad, and 33% a mechanism for providing reassurance to society that government cannot pursue unlimited fiscal expansion as the solution to all problems.

EDIT2: ceterem censeo GOP delenda est

You seem very angry this morning!

But the MMT people are not making policy, so it seems kind of weird to get mad at them for our current policies. What we have actually seen is that every 4-8 years the Republicans get a hold of the credit card and immediately pass giant tax cuts & run up titanic deficits. I feel like the real lesson of events is that Republicans can not be trusted to run any sort of economy, not that the MMT people are unwilling to raise taxes.

There are only like, 3 MMT people.

How is this different than the neo-Keynesian approach to fiscal policy? What fiscal policy would Krugman prescribe in an inflationary regime?

That article honestly doesn’t sound much different than what Kelton is saying. Here’s Krugman:

A lot of recent inflation will subside when oil and food prices stop rising, when the prices of used cars, which rose 41 percent (!) over the past year during the shortage of new cars, come down, and so on. The big surge in rents also appears to be largely behind us, although the slowdown won’t show up in official numbers for a while. So it probably won’t be necessary to put the economy through an ’80s-style wringer to get inflation down.

That said, the Fed is probably too optimistic in believing that we can get inflation under control without any rise in unemployment. Statistical measures like the unprecedented number of unfilled job openings, anecdotal evidence of labor shortages and, yes, wage increases suggest that the job market is running unsustainably hot. Cooling that market off will probably require accepting an uptick in the unemployment rate, although not a full-on recession.

And for what it’s worth, the Fed’s plan for gradual rate hikes, which has already led to a major rise in mortgage rates, is likely to cause that unfortunately necessary cooling-off, especially combined with the fact that fiscal policy has turned contractionary as the big spending of early 2021 recedes in the rearview mirror.

Anti-seignorage (which I assume is just a way of saying “running a fiscal surplus”) isn’t the only way of pulling money out of the economy. From one of Krugman’s links detailing the drag on GDP growth of fiscal policy over the last year or so:

The drag on economic growth in the fourth quarter was driven by the waning effects on GDP of federal transfer payments like the unemployment insurance benefit expansions and the Paycheck Protection Program, as well as an increase in federal and state non-corporate tax collections. A reduction in combined federal, state and local purchases also contributed to the drag on growth, largely reflecting lower state and local employment (particularly in education) and construction spending, also particularly in education.

While the overall trajectory of the FIM is clear—continued fiscal restraint—the exact magnitude and timing of the effects are not. There is a great deal of uncertainty about behavioral responses to the legislation enacted since the start of the pandemic. For example, it is hard to know how state and local governments will adjust their spending in response to the stimulus. Despite unprecedented support from Washington, employment by state and local governments remains about 3.5% below its pre-pandemic level. We assume that state and local governments will boost spending in coming quarters, but it is possible that the adjustment will be slower than we anticipate in light of the surprisingly weak growth thus far. Similarly, given the unusual nature of this recession, estimates of households’ and firms’ marginal propensities to consume (MPCs) are uncertain.

Sounds like they’re all saying that this inflationary period has many causes and is already correcting itself. Why would any economic advisor suggest tax increases right now, MMT or not?

EDIT: I do want to say I appreciate you providing probably the most succinct and clearly stated critique of MMT I’ve ever read. My primary issue with MMT’s various interlocutors is that most of them seem to not take it seriously enough to actually critique it as it is. And it’s hard not to distrust a critique when it’s mostly made of straw. For years I’ve been waiting for a Nobel Prize winning economist to explain in simple terms why MMT is bullshit. I’ve been ready to disbelieve since first hearing about it. Still waiting.

One of the criticisms of MMT is that it’s basically just dumbed down neo-keynesianism, and doesn’t really offer anything beyond it.

That doesn’t track with

Either it’s Keynesianism restated and offers nothing new or it’s bullshit and doesn’t work. Which is it? I actually agree with you that it’s mostly just Keynesianism restated and offers little new, except you know, perspective. It’s exactly this:

I think any MMTer would wholeheartedly endorse this.

It could be:

The post-Keynesian economist Thomas Palley said that MMT is largely a restatement of elementary Keynesian economics, but prone to “over-simplistic analysis” and understating the risks of its policy implications.

So, it’s Keynesian economics restated, but restated in a dumb way that doesn’t fully understand it, and that’s why it doesn’t work.

We’ve had exactly this conversation before. My emotional reaction to being called dumb, particularly when it’s off-hand and unaccompanied by any engagement with the issue, is immediately defensive. It’s hard to be objective and defensive at the same time. Even @Aceris’s main critique of MMT, which is well-considered, is that properly understood, it will lead to being misunderstood, which is almost exactly what Palley is saying too. Essentially, “It’s better if politicians believe the canard that you have to finance deficits with debt because it leads to more cautious policy outcomes.” I just think that 1) basing policy decisions on reality is usually better because reality is more objective than the alternatives and 2) MMT isn’t as simple as “deficits don’t have to be constrained by debt”, which is basically what every MMT interlocutor argues against (while simultaneously acknowledging that it’s true.)

FWIW, Krugman’s point on the fed interest rate hikes acting as a coolant is very much against MMT, which denies the impact of monetary policy. That’s a huge difference.

Yeah, I think you’re right. I don’t think MMT denies the impact of monetary policy altogether. I just think they’re skeptical of its ability to apply countercyclical pressures to the money supply. @Menzo debated me precisely on interest rates’ interesting lack of effect on the housing market a couple of weeks ago. (And @Menzo was quite convincing, which I should have acknowledged.)