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Vulcan: Historical Birmingham landmark suit

Here’s the important part from the Birmingham News:



What a monumental waste of our justice system.


I was born in Birmingham, but haven’t lived in the South since I was 6 years old (I’m 40 now). One of my earliest memories is summer Saturday nights when my grandparents would take me to “the Vulcan”, where we’d buy an ice cream from the truck, walk up the statue (I understand they added an elevator later), and look at the lights below. What I DO remember is even at 6 years old, I knew that Vulcan was an ancient God but was now a symbol of Birmingham’s steel industry (which at time, in the 1960’s, was in full force and made the sky turn purple with smog every night). Heh, we’d even go to the Baptist Church the next morning.

Well, the average six-year-old does have more actual reasoning ability than the average fundamentalist…

I miss many things about the south, but I’m very glad to leave cretins like Dykes far behind.

Lawsuits like this would not happen if the plaintiff had to pay the other side’s legal fees if he lost =/

How could this guy go on living without giving himself daily lashings for having the last name “Dykes,” surely an affort to his one and only true God?

Maybe this lawsuit was brought to demonstrate the silliness of attempting to regulate the presence of religious, cultural, or historical emblems that have a spiritual significance on public land.

Why is this different than trying to remove the ten commandments from the government buildings of a government whose founders respected the ideals of the ten commandments?

Keep in mind, many of the founding fathers identified themselves not as Christians (though they may have attended Christian churches) but as Deists, people who believe that an unknown God started the universe in motion and then proceeded to take an extended vacation.

Thomas Jefferson, one of our most beloved founders, was a Deist. He still respected the ideals of the the ten commandments though.

Don’t misconstrue this post to be in support of keeping the ten commandments on courthouses. The fact is that I don’t care for one second whether the ten commandments remain on courthouses.

But if somebody is condemned for trying to have a relgious/cultural/historical statue removed from state land, then shouldn’t those who seek to have the ten commandments (also a religious/cultural/historical symbol) removed from state land also be condemned on the same basis?

Unless you have a bunch of Vikings breathing down your neck in your town if you don’t hail Odin every day, I fail to see how your a is propos, Spoofy.

A statue of Vulcan is pretty much the same as a statue of Obi-Wan Kenobi in the current day and age. There’s no religious significance to it at all.

Yeah, what Matt said. I appreciate you playing devil’s advocate Spoofychop, but this was a statue that stood for decades, was taken down for an overhaul, and now is being replaced in the exact same spot fully restored. It has been a hallmark of Birmingham’s landscape forever and the fact that some idiot is deciding to bitch now simply makes me tired.

His ass is not covered either and is often called ‘Vulcan’s moon over Birmingham’. I would be more likely to sue because the statue endorses softcore gay porn than any type of religious idol worship. Just stupid.

Yeah, that statue is the one thing I remember about B’ham from when my parents lived there. We used to worship it and sacrifice fundamentalist Baptists to Him by the light of the Full Moon.

As someone who is a Christian, and who many would call kinda conservative, all I can say is get a life, dude. What a load of hooey.

If you want to elevate the name of who you supposedly serve, go serve at a food line for the homeless tomorrow; go work on a Habitat for Humanity house for a family that could never otherwise have a home; go be a friend to someone who feels he or she doesn’t have a friend in the world. Don’t worry about a hunk of statue. Sheesh.

What he said. :)

That is the case in Canada, and we definitely have less litigation here.

That is the case in Canada, and we definitely have less litigation here.[/quote]

It’d also reduce corporations intimidating those with less resources to fight a lawsuit. If only…

If Dykes is not careful he’ll make Vulcan angry and his Greek alter ego will start sending out collossi/collossuses to mame or kill us all. That’ll learn 'em to mouth off.

Humph. I wonder when he’ll get to the Oracle Temple in Vestavia. There’s a greater chance of reading entrails there than anywhere near Vulcan.

We have that already for civil rights cases like this one, yet the case was filed anyway. The prevailing party, plaintiff or defendant, can recover attorney’s fees in civil rights litigation. However, the defendant has an extra hurdle - the court must find that the civil rights claim was frivolous, unreasonable or groundless. It can be hard to get a court to say that, though.

The plaintiff does have a hurdle of their own. They must receive at least nominal monetary damages in order to receive attorney’s fees, which is probably why this guy sued for $1. The odd thing is that the article says the $1 is for punitive damages, and IIRC punitive damages against government entities were forbidden (you can get them against employees, and then the entity usually pays them anyway), though he sued the city, county, state, and Interior. Maybe things are different in Alabama.