DrDel
2681
Not quite. There is a lot more to Locke than just that.
DrDel
2682
I don’t by the Hell thing either. Plus the producers have said that they aren’t in Hell.
I bet you the Hanso Foundation created a fake Oceanic flight with fake bodies in the waterbed. This may include clone corpses to match DNA/dental confirmation of the deaths. This way the World would presume no survivors and would stop searching for them which would allow the Others to have the Losties all to themselves.
It was also nice to connect the parachutist to the Porteguese/Penelop even at the end of last season. Looks like when the Hatch blew Penelop received the GPS coordinates to the Island and sent Naomi there to check it out. The magnetic field around the island fried her helicopter the same way it fried the Oceanic flight.
Sounds like a reasonable theory, does it not?
I already posted the fake plane theory last week.
I don’t think we were supposed to buy the hell explanation for a second, it’s just what Locke’s Dad thought.
The Hell thing was just Locke’s Dad’s interpretation, and helped exlpain why he would go from being a con-man to being so brutally honest at the end. He basically thought he’d died in the car crash and was in Hell, made all the more real by seeing a non-crippled Locke and a ghost from his con-man past (Sawyer). He was “confessing”, probably figured he had nothing left to lose by coming clean, though he was still an asshole about it to the end, which made Sawyer’s decision very easy.
I agree that Locke couldn’t kill his father because he thought the island might disapprove. I think too that even though he hated the man, he doesn’t have it in himself to kill someone in cold blood. One interesting thing though, Ben is obviously LYING about the “magic box effect” of the island, since Locke’s dad was brought there by the Others and not by Locke’s wish or need. The whole story about the car crash proves that.
It seems the Others may be responsible for faking the whole robot camera footage of a crashed Flight 815 400 feet under the ocean too. Given their resources, it does not seem unlikely that they could pull this off. They wouldn’t even a real plane and bodies to do it, they could have just faked the footage. That far down, no salvage is going to happen without millions of dollars of funding.
Jack and Juliet and their smug little “should we tell them?” routine annoyed the crap out of me. Considering they are about an inch away from having the entire camp turn on them and gut them like fish, you’d think they would be a little more forthcoming. Honestly, I hope Sayid, Sawyer, Desmond, Jin and even Hurley team up and beat the living shit out of Jack sometime soon.
Well, hopefully whatever the secret is. Obviously Jack isn’t either thinking properly or is thinking of himself, or something really screwy is going on. And it doesn’t really seem that Juliet (in the preview) looked particularly shocked when the recording was being played. Also, the recording itself… Ben let Locke take it on purpose? Perhaps to get the 815ers to move someplace and be more vulnerable?
— Alan
bloo
2688
I smell con-within-a-con-within-a-con crapaliciousness coming. Juliet conning the Losties, because Ben owns her, but Jack knows so she’s conning Ben, and it has to look good because Ben’s got his spies, but if they’re really coming in three days, Jack and Juliet haven’t made any preparations to help the Losties or warn those with fighting skills.
So the badass Locke of a couple of weeks ago is dumb again, letting Ben manipulate him so he can believe in the magic box. “You brought him here” my ass.
And what happened to Rose? The island healed her and Ben’s crew don’t seem interested.
This show gets more and more crazy with every episode… too many purgatory hints.
That’s because Rose is only a guest star…
Claire for fornication, Hurley for gluttony, and Rose and Co. for… um… interracial marriage.
Seriously. There were no purgatory hints in this episode at all. It was Locke’s Dad’s only possible rationalization for a sequence of crazy events, but it was in no way meant as a possible explanation to the audience.
Oh, right, I guess I just imagined the “Should we tell them? No? Should we tell them? No!” from Jack and the Other girl?
I suppose it could still be plausible that they’re all alive… my question is, does anyone know who found the Oceanic flight crew? Where is the proof that there were dead bodies and everything, and could it have been fabricated?
The Others also know random things about these people that are pretty private and the sort of things that aren’t likely to be on any public record no matter how much access to information they have, which is either an oversight or an indication that they were specifically watching these people well before Flight 815 ever happened and perhaps even intervened in various ways to ensure some specific people were on the plane. Why they would do that, I have no idea, but it would explain how they could know so much and also might explain some of the more outlandish coincidences, eg. Sawyer and Locke both being on the plane and both having strong links to con-man, etc.
Why would that have anything to do with being in purgatory? IMO there are one of two things that was about (btw, I’m pretty sure it was should we tell HER, not them):
- Jack and Juliet know more than we do about the true nature of the island and thus know why the satellite phone Kate was talking about is useless. And I don’t mean in the sense that the island is purgatory, but that it has some communications blackout system that can’t be breached now that the hatch has blown… which we’ve already seen tons of evidence for.
or
- Juliet is triple-agenting and has told Jack she is working for Ben and told him about the raid Locke mentioned, and told him Kate is a likely target since she is a mother candidate, and may already be knocked up with Sawyer’s kid.
Well I sure hope so… purgatory would be all sorts of lame.
Interesting how they also managed to dismiss the “magic box” by having Ben call it a metaphor incase anyone was still postulating about that.
Everyone dismissed Purgatory when I brought it up before (I feel like Hrose!), but they’ve definitely been intentionally pushing it for a long time. Just way more overt since then, although Ecko’s death remains one of the biggest “HEY WERE IN PURGATORY” episodes (he turned on his brother his last time and was eaten by an evil black spirt/cloud thingy shortly thereafter).
I still think they’ve been making things up as they go along, have no real plan to make everything consistent, and just sort of intentionally wander down the path of different theories.
I’ve heard numerous times that the writers have said that the Lost people aren’t dead. I don’t know if they really said that or it is just an internet legend at this point, but I keep hearing it…
Anyway, it can’t be purgatory… how would they explain Penny Whitmore and crew finding the location of purgatory… in the Pacific… on Earth via the EMP event?
The whole Hell angle in this past episode was, as other people have said, just Locke’s dad’s intepretation of the situation based on incomplete information… and I think it is safe to say that if purgatory were “the answer”, they wouldn’t have just spilled it out like that. It isn’t purgatory.
nabeel
2699
I love how Rousseau comes in, they go “sup?” “nm, you?” “nm”, and then she walks back out with a crate full of explosives.
The ending of season two, where the survey team notices the EMP surge, was specifically written to indicate the show takes place in some form of current reality and not in purgatory; Lindelof and team have expressed that several times.
