Well… that was pretty… wow.
Glad they killed Charlie. By the way, our Russian friend wasn’t wearing any oxygen gear. I’d say he’s definitely dead, but probably not.
Also, I don’t think Jack’s dad is dead anymore. Pretty clearly something’s going on there more than a red herring.
Man this show is so crazy. If they can pull of this twist and keep it as riveting I’ll be damn impressed.
sluggo
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Awesomeness. I’m going to have to watch that again just to soak it all in.
Could it be Locke in the casket? He’s definitely a loner and probably fits in the neither-friend-nor-family category.
Menzo
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So I’m guessing that the next three seasons will be all about what happened between when they made that phone call and when we next see Jack in the “flash forward” to mess him up.
The funeral could very well be for someone we haven’t even met yet. Someone important who we’ll meet in the next few years…
My guess is that episode 1 of season 4 will be the helicopter coming to “rescue” the survivors, but it turns out they really are malevolent and they all end up back on the island, now fighting this new force.
Going frame by frame on my HDTV, I could never quite make out “James”. Here’s all I got, dashes for missing pieces of words, … for whole missing word(s), kept it broken up by lines the way it was on the clipping:
Man found d-
downtown
The body of J- -tham of
New York was … -tly after 4
a.m. in/on the … of Grand
…
… at the
… -yard loud
… -m’s (-rn’s?) loft
… saftey, he
… -covered the
… a beam in the
. . . and feel compelled to announce the fact.
H.
Haven’t really been watching much of this season, but the finale was very good.
Yeah, then the show would be like what The Nine attempted to be.
Awesome episode and I really enjoyed it, but having missed a few episodes this season, I’m hoping someone can answer a couple of questions:
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where did the VW bus come from? I was tickled to see Hurley save the day, but his method of doing so really caught me off guard.
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what was up with Locke? Had he been caught in an explosion or was he thrown in some pit where the others dispose of their bodies after being shot?
You missed those episodes. Hurley found the van on the island, and made it a pet project to get it running again. (rolled down a hill and pop-started it)
Locke was shot by Ben, because he was too powerful. He can hear creepy invisible Jacob-guy, while Ben can’t.
I’d highly recommend watching the last couple of episodes, they really moved the plot along in those.
H.
Awesome finale. For a season that rarely delivered and often dissapointed, this episode finally got me digging LOST again, just in time for a huge hiatus.
My theory on the “man in the box” is John Locke. He fits the no friends and family motiff, Sawyer does too but Kate would have at least shown for that, and Ben would never willingly leave the island. Plus Ben and Sawyer wouldn’t have made Jack so upset. Here’s why I think it’s Locke: We know Jack is desperate to return to the island for some reason. John Locke was probably his best chance at doing that, but by the time Jack locates him, he’s dead. With his last real hope of returning gone, Jack sinks into despair and attempts suicide…
The even bigger question here is WHY does Jack think it’s so important to get back to the island?
Sayid is simply bad ass, my wife and I cheered when he snapped that guys neck with his feet. Jin was also Korean mafia style bad ass. Hurley saves the day, I expected the 8-track to be blasting “Holding Out For A Hero”. Sawyer shooting Tom and dedicating it to Walt was awesome. You figure that Tom snatching Walt directly resulted in Sawyer almost dying, Ana Lucia and Hurley’s girlfriend dying, and the corruption of Michael. Tom had it coming.
Mikael is indestructable. If he comes back from being shot in the chest with a speargun and blowing himself up with a grenade then the writers need to be bitchslapped.
My thoery on Naomi’s crew…they were sent by Mr. Widmore, Penny’s dad. He was partnered with the Dharma folks, so likely knows all about the island. He may have even continued to drop supplies thinking some Dharma survivors were there (I’m guessing Kelvin in the original hatch was one). He also has access to Penny’s picture of her and Des, and likely knows Des is on the island. He wants the island’s mysteries for himself, and has sent Naomi’s gang to find it, secure it, exterminate any Others they find, and possibly either rescue or more likely kill Desmond. It would also explain how Penny had access to secure communications into the underwater lab, as she likely knows about her father’s obsession with the island. When the jamming stopped, she got an alert and immediately tried to contact Desmond.
Best line of the night : Danielle to Alex - “You want to help me tie him up?” Awesome.
It would be great if they decided to change the structure of the show to flash forwards instead of flashbacks for the next three seasons.
The Losties found the VW bus halfway through this season. It was full of beer. We learned a few weeks ago that Ben killed his father in that same bus.
Two weeks ago, Ben shot Locke near the mass grave for all the Dharma people Ben had mass-murdered.
Troy
JeffL
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Locke seems to know that it Jack would reqret making the call - I wonder if what we saw was a vision of Locke’s or something Walt shared with him?
I really did not understand the panicked closing of the door by Charlie when he saw the grenade about to go off. The “pool” at which they surfaced is 4 steps away - just grab the other dude and dive in and head back where you came from. I mean - you’re going to flood that station, who cares, you have to dive back in the water to go back the way you came to begin with.
Overall, a good show. Hurley being the hero was extremely cool, and his obvious joy at being able to tell everyone was very grin inducing. My wife predicted, when the three shots were heard on the walkie talkie, that Locke had shot the Others and that’s what we heard - sounded like a great idea and I said “duh! Of course!” but the way they saved them was even better.
And yeah, we all were waiting for Locke to shoot the radio in Jack’s hand.
I was sad to see Charlie go because, unlike everyone else I guess, I think Kate is the most worthless and irritating character on the show and Charlie is at least interesting. I wish Kate would die, but now that she’s in the flash-forward that makes me sad.
Maybe they’ll flash-forward to her running TO someone!!! WOWOW!!! One trick fucking pony
Counting down to when someone mentions she’s hot
3
2
1
Who is hotter, grungy island Kate or cleaned up future Kate?
I was only aggravated in this episode by one fact: There were about 5 bazillion reasons for Charlie not to die, even given Desmond’s accurate portrayal of events. Plus the fact that the second we see eye-patch down on the floor with the harpoon sticking out of his chest, my wife yells: “Now shoot him in the fucking head!” I love that woman.
I think the casket was Sawyer, as the conversation between Kate and Jack while on the walk was a foreshadow: Kate says that Sawyer wouldn’t have cared about him. Sawyer has no “friends” and certainly no family, yet Jack has a connection to him, so he shows up at the viewing when no one else would.
Man, it’s going to be a long wait to see Jack correct his mistake and continue the journey to the Dark Tower… er, wait.
Theory #44984, undoubtably way off target:
He had a pretty good life on the island, all things considered. Action, romance, everybody looks up to him, his ex-wife is thousands of miles away. And there’s the possibility that the island can actually give him everything he wishes for, including perhaps immortality. An eternity in paradise?
Back in the real world he doesn’t have shit, just like Ben said. Jack blew it, and he ruined it for a lot of the others, too. Locke’s death (if he is indeed the one in the casket) reinforces just how badly Jack ruined it.
It may also be that not everybody got off the island - maybe only a handful of them did. That would explain why Jack wants to get back so badly, to save the rest.
I thought the Charlie death was a little contrived, but it was a good way to go. Charlie made Penny aware of Desmond being alive, and communicated to Desmond that the boat wasn’t Penny’s, so he gets to be a little bit of a hero. Watching Charlie take those punches and come back with one-liners was great. Here was a man who understood his destiny and accepted it.
The problem was, he didn’t have to accept it. He had enough time to run out of the com room before the grenade went off and lock the door from the outside. Hell, they wouldn’t need the SCUBA gear to get to the surface, swimming down is much slower than swimming up is.
So minor beef with that.
But the role reversal - The idea that the Others aren’t the end-all-be-all bad guys - I kinda was hoping for something like that since the beginning of this Season.
As evil as Ben was, it was clear by the argument between Tom and Ryan that Ben’s order was to leave Sayid & Co. alive, to fake the gunshots. Tom said himself he thought they should’ve killed them for real. So in addition to all the bad juju Tom’s earned for almost killing Sawyer, killing Anna Lucia and Libby, and turning Michael, he would’ve actually killed 3 of the coolest characters on the show (I include Bernard because the him and Rose moments are so cute). As likeable as he seemed when he was playing football with Jack, Tom was an asshole, and deserved that bullet.
Hurley saving the day - Priceless. And now everyone who complained about how silly the VW episode was can shove it.
I don’t think what they’re showing us is the actual future for our castaways. I think it’s the future if some decision we’re going to see them deliberate over is made at some point in the future. I don’t think that future is set in stone yet. We’re just being teased with a simple concept: They shouldn’t WANT to get off the Island, because nothing good awaits them. Jack and Kate were certainly pretty unhappy.
