Wow, so far this season has started off very well; two good episodes in a row. A dharma polar bear in the desert, good stuff. So were all the flashes, flashbacks from before they went on the mission, or flash forwards to after the mission and return to the “real” world.
Oh and what was up with Locke when Hurley questioned the location of the spooky cabin.
Was the “Pilot” shown on TV the guy with the missing eye on the island that ran himself into the electro fence or whatever?
bloo
3183
No. The pilot is Jeff Mutherfucking Fahey!
Which is awesome.
Please, please, please, let Michael Biehn be on the freighter. They’ve all worked with Naveen Andrews in another bit of greatness: Planet Terror!
Scrax
3184
Pretty sure they were flashbacks. As soon as she landed on the island, Naomi said that all the people on flight 815 were dead. And as far as she knew, they were dead. They showed her asking pseudo-haitian about the possibility of survivors on the island, and about the collection of misfits she was suppose to lead on the island. So I figure that the flashbacks were just giving us some context on who they were in the past. A nervous(skitzo?) physicist, a ghost whisperer, an archealogist, and the pilot. Not really sure why you need that particualar skill assortment to catch Ben, but the island is spooky after all so…
I’m not sure if Locke knows that Hurley has seen the cabin. He just came across Hurley while he was screaming in the jungle. Maybe he was surprised that Hurley had found it. Not sure if the cabin comes to people, or teleports, or what. Maybe Hurley was going crazy.
Oh, and I’m not convinced that the Russian is dead. He blew up the underwater station with a grenade and all, but he has proven surprisingly hard to kill. Besides, he is one of my favorite characters. No body, not dead.
bloo
3185
The what? I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not implying that all tall, black, bald men look alike. But if you don’t know Cedrick Mutherfucking Daniels when you see him, get thee to The Wire.
Shit. I really need to watch that episode again. Because the whole time I was thinking they were flash forwards. Like, post-“rescue” mission or whatever it is, they came back to find the big conspiracy taking place to cover it up. Which is why I thought the physicist dude was crying. Great episode—but now I am thoroughly confused. :)
I assumed the last flash, with Naomi, was a flashback. To me the other four flashes felt like they happened after those characters had returned from the “rescue” mission. Though they all do fit as flash backs just as well, and that would make more sense. I would just be a mean trick to have both flash forwards, and backs in the same episode.
New characters bring new questions:
Why was the physicist so upset about the crash?
Why did the anthropologist almost seem happy to find the Dharma symbol near the bear bones?
What’s up with the ghost whisper and his shop-vac?
Why does the pilot seem guilty, since memorizing a passenger manifest, seems like the action of someone who blames themselves?
Guess we will find out in a future episode; or maybe we wont. ;)
I thought it was pretty clearly established that all of them were flashbacks; I never assumed otherwise. (And I thought the one with Naomi cemented that idea).
They were all shown reacting in some way to the news that 815 wreckage had been “found.” It was very strongly implied if not stated outright that that was the reason they were chosen for the “rescue” mission – they all had some kind of connection to 815.
He said that he was originally supposed to be the pilot of that flight. It sounded like in the time between the plane went missing and his flashback, he’d been thoroughly spooked at the idea that It Could Have Been Him. So he was obsessing over the flight, Final Destination-style, trying to find out whatever he could about it.
You can presume that all the “connections” that ran through the first couple of seasons were even more obvious to outsiders, not living on the island with its weird Do Not Wait For the Answers to Questions field. So he probably was looking for some reason why he was “spared.” I’d guess that the same thing applies to the other 3 new characters – they were supposed to be on 815, they weren’t for whatever reason, and they’ve been obsessing over why.
I know it wasn’t really THE DUDE! It was a joke that he looked like him.
They had to be flashbacks, because in the previous episode Hurley is clearly identified as one of “The Oceanic Six” in his flash-forward, which would make no sense at all if they’d tried to cover up with the “no recoverable bodies” plane plant AFTER Jack, Kate and Hurley (plus 3 others) had returned. The plane at the bottom of the ocean was defintely a cover up that happened earlier, while we were watching events unfold on the island. I’m pretty sure they even mentioned the timeframe in the news blurb, something like “Oceanic 815, which disappeared a month ago”. Since the survivors have been kicking it on the island for like 3 months now, that would put it squarely in the past.
The question becomes, WHY? Why cover up the crash with a fake plane/corpse? If it was presumed lost at sea, then nobody would have been looking for it. Also, who put it there? The same folks who sent the team to the island to find Ben? Is that Alovar Hanso and his foundation? Is it Dharma remanants? Is it someone else entirely?
Also, when the Asian guy wanted to talk to someone on the frieghter, who was it? It seemed like someone in charge, but all we saw was the mysterious man giving orders to Naomi, so who else would they send, and is it the same person Ben claims to have on the boat. Could it be Michael? That would be a big reveal.
Seems like an odd skill set to send as a team to the island too. A physics guy to perhaps figure out the science behind the island’s weird powers. A ghost hunter to deal witht he supernatural aspect, and an archeologist to try and determine who lived on the island before all these current folks came along. The pilot seems like a toss-in because he knew too much and asked too many questions, plus he seems guilty over the death of his friend. Interesting stuff, but I fear that once again continuity is getting tossed out the window in favor of a new plotline that will provide some kind of closure to the tangled mess of sub-plots and long unanswered questions.
TheRock
3191
I think the Dmarma people somehow downed the plane because they needed more people for their experiments because Ben killed all their other subjects. So, they downed the plane, faked the flight crash, and when those 4 people had some kind of connection to the crash, they “recruted” them to go onto the island to kill Ben…but they weren’t told of the real crash or the survivors because then they could mess up the experiments…the only reason they met up with the good guys is because the copter was having issues or else they would have parachuted near Ben’s people and taken care of him, and wouldn’t have known about the survivors.
Random theory I’m throwing out there:
Based on the constant Walt mentions in this episode, and the fact that Harold Perrineau is still listed in the credits, I’m inclined to believe that Michael is Ben’s “man on the boat.”
Dirt
3194
This show is one gigantic cocktease.
jeffd
3195
The thing is - we know that’s not true. The plane was brought down by a near EMP when Desmond almost failed to hit the button.
I think last night’s episode brought back some earlier thematic threads that have been sort of forgotten in the intervening years. One of the ideas on Lost is that the people on the island are connected in very odd ways that not many of them know about - like how Claire and Jack are related, but neither of them know that. Also there was a lot of talk early on about how Walt is “special” somehow, in that strange things tend to happen around him.
So whatever is going on on the Island, perhaps one of the side effects is that it creates weird connections between people, things and events. So, yes, the plane going down over the island was caused by Desmond’s EMP blast. But maybe Dharma sent that plane over the Island because they knew that something weird would cause it to crash there, even if they couldn’t predict exactly what would cause it.
Or, more likely, I’m entirely wrong. After all by the middle of last season I was convinced the Island was cloning people.
bloo
3197
Check out the Orchid Station Orientation film that was shown at Comic Con
It suggests time travel is going on. Notice how the doctor doesn’t want the rabbits to come in contact with each other? And there are two #15 rabbits?
Two planes (the same plane from different times) come in contact or whatever and go boom. Lapidus the pilot on one, not on the other.
Other things that might be explained with some time travel:
Walt is taller and older standing over Locke in the pit.
Walt was soaking wet in one earlier ‘ghosty’ encounter with him.
The question someone asked Michael about Walt ever appearing someplace he wasn’t supposed to be (or be ‘able’ to be).
Jack’s dad not being dead (appearing alive on the island, possibly alive in Flash Forward).
Jacob being ghostlike (he’s there, he’s not there).
The whispers (just the voices going back or coming through maybe).
Desmond’s ‘time travel’ episode.
Desmond’s flashes about Charlie’s deaths.
Ben’s magic box (think of anything you want, it’s in the box. The go get that thing in the future, then push it back through time to the moment you open the box).
I thought the pilot on TV was clearly the guy from Alias who was killed in the 1st show by the Monster.
Yes, the picture of him was. The waterlogged corpse next to the picture was not.
Wait, really? I wish I didn’t delete it then, because it was bugging me that the picture didn’t look anything like Greg Grunberg. Maybe I need a new prescription for my glasses.
