We do need a little Jin and Sun story soon…
drewl
3222
Not much answered here…just more “WTF”
If they have a final conclusion in their heads as to how this is going to end, I’m anxious to see it, because it feels like the writers are just winging it to add shock to each episode. And for the whole thing to NOT feel like a total cop out at this point is going to require a lot of finesse on the writers’ part.
drewl
3224
Not much answered here…just more “WTF”
I think drewl might be caught in a time loop of his own.
Best line of the night: “Oh great, the boat sent us another Sawyer.”
Iraqi Hitman Code 815 = awesome. Can’t wait to see how that story plays out.
The 30 minute delay thing with the “payload” was very interesting. I could swear at some point the producers debunked the theory that it’s a time warp or alternate dimension, yet that seems to be exactly where they are going with this.
Also, Daniel told the pilot guy he needed to stick to the exact heading to get back to the ship. That’s the same thing Ben told Michael when he left with Walt, so it seems likely that Michael and Walt were able to escape the island’s grip, especially since it’s now obvious that Ben was leaving the island frequently himself. I would not be at all surprised to see Michael on board that ship, and that he is in fact Ben’s contact.
Richard also was clearly able to leave the island and return with Juliet. I think it’s been clear since at least last season that they’re not disconnected from the world they knew, at least in any permanant fashion.
Well it’s clear people can arrive and leave, but it has to be on a very particular heading (I forgot what the one Ben told Michael to go on). Also, Ben has a variety of traveling clothes (business attire) and passports, which he wouldn’t need if he was just stuck on the island. I think the idea of Michael being on the boat is very possible, considering the whole “spy” thing and the fact that Harold Perrineau is in the opening credits.
Plus, the evidence of Ben at the end of the episode giving Sayid his orders (I loved the earlier line about selling his soul) doesn’t completely dismiss the idea he’s in the coffin, as the scene could be before Jack’s at the end of last season, and maybe that’s why Jack went to the funeral home (to acknowledge how Ben was, evidently, trying to save them).
It’s certainly interesting, and no, I don’t think it’s a bunch of clueless writers trapped in a room trying to randomly give more shocks without any temerity of plot, but I’ve been wrong before.
— Alan
I agree with this. My theory was that
- the island is the hub/intersection of multiple universes/timelines.
- time is non-linear, and this is evident on the island especially.
- Certain people are sensitive to these things, and exposure to the island has given them side-effects
Every moment branches into multiple outcomes, creating new timelines. Hurley’s sensitivity is that he has one awareness that spans several timelines. This is why he can see people that “aren’t there”, because they actually ARE there, just in a different timeline.
Desmond escaped the island, but suffered the effects of being exposed to multiple timelines. He had an accident which killed him, but his awareness looped back in time and space to the island.
I think the whispers that are heard sometimes are timeline weak points, or ‘knots’ maybe, where multiple timelines come together in a moment of great import/change, and the whispers are the conversations of people in multiple timelines, bleeding through.
The black cloud monster is an island guardian, nano-thing that was set there by future humans.
I think the 10,000 year old Dharma polar bear in the desert synched it up for me.
Gladguy
3231
Jim, Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Jim’s theory works for me, too, at least for now.
What I’m wondering, on a smaller scale, if Sayid made his “deal with the devil” to work for Ben right at the moment he exchanged for the other chick to come back. Is that just an obvious thing that took me overnight to figure out? That he had seen Ben’s secret spy room w/the cash and passports, and then said to him, during our commercial break, “whatever you got going on, I’ll help”.
nabeel
3234
I don’t really like the alternate universes/multiple timelines thing but I can see how it fits. Nice to have the flash-forwards back, flashbacks are so 2004 and I could do without them now. I loved the WTF moments in this ep but they really need to start with the bleedin’ answers already.
Mr_PeaCH
3235
Well now you got me thinking too; good a reason for the reveal of the room behind the bookcase and the secret stash as any and better than most.
My concern with Sayid’s flashforward is this: At the end, where the pager gal shoots him and she calls The Man, she reveals to us that they have been playing Sayid the whole time to get at Ben. Why were they waiting so long to do the double-cross and why did she feel she had to shoot him then and there after all the waiting when it was only apparent that Sayid did have some feelings for her, felt she was an innocent, and wanted her to leave town to avoid the fallout? What am I missing here?
Probably to get Sayyid’s trust; the shooting was to effectively disable or incapacitate him. With the beeper summons, it was obvious everything had come to a head, the only question was who was going to play the other first–Sayyid was bent on preventing Elsa, which meant that he could find her boss without her, meaning it would have been just as effective as killing her if she wasn’t an assassin (so it might be a bit of self-protection that she shot him).
— Alan
Best flash forward yet. The first was really good because they did an excellent job at making you think it was a flashback until the very end, and because it was a new concept, but damn, Sayid is a fucking badass.
More evidence, certainly, but I wouldn’t say first evidence. Evidence of multiple timelines and space/time shitfuckery has been creeping in since Desmond was added to the cast. I think the difference now is primarily that they’ve agreed to end the show after a set number of episodes so they are moving things along much faster than the glacial pace they had previously.
Well it’s clear people can arrive and leave, but it has to be on a very particular heading (I forgot what the one Ben told Michael to go on).
My theory is you can leave on any heading you like, but different directions will take you to different timelines and The Oceanic 6 (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, probably Saywer, and whomever) end up leaving from a different heading than the one they came in on, thus the desire to get back to the island, Jack’s dad possibly being alive in the flash fowards, etc.
Another interesting possibility that comes up when you start playing with time is maybe Sayid is Ben’s man on the boat. This episode showed them working together in the future, plus it showed that the freighter and the island aren’t quite time synched, so they could do some time loop crap where Sayid has already reported to Ben information that he aquired after leaving the island. Could still be Michael as the man on the boat, though, since we’re still waiting for his big reveal.
While I find the timelines angle intriguing, it is so easy to fuck this shit up and create plot holes or lose tension (see: Heroes), so I’m kind of nervous about it.
Why are people still thinking Jack’s dad is still alive? That idea has been pretty much killed far as I know, the creators openly attributed Jack’s confusion to his drug/drinking issues.
— Alan
