It was pretty clear from the first Jin segment that they were in different timelines. The only part that got me was I thought they were in different future timelines – that is, that somehow the timeline had split into one branch where Sun made it off the island, and another where Jin made it off. I was actually a little disappointed when it didn’t turn out that way; that’s a lot more tragic and poignant, IMO, than just one of them probably-but-not-definitely dying.
Still, I don’t see how you can resent being “manipulated” if you saw what was coming. And I don’t think there’d be any “courage of their convictions” to killing off Jin, especially if it takes two seasons to do it. There’s nothing particularly courageous or innovative about a “he dies and she’s sad the end,” especially in a show that has introduced a big time travel component. I think they’re completely entitled to do some kind of time travel-based reset button on down the line, to FINALLY give Sun & Jim a happy ending.
No shit it was Michael. There’s nobody else it could’ve been. That’s why the reveal was less than a minute of screentime in a subplot. It’s still got to happen, to build up to the reveal of Ben’s plan and what’s going on with all the various freighter factions.
And what “important piece of information” are you trying to bitch about? The affair? When else was it supposed to happen? That storyline was basically over as soon as we found out Jin was the father and Sun was in danger by staying on the island, so the “important information” didn’t even matter anymore except to add drama. That’s a pretty boneheaded complaint.
Edit: Whoops, I got unintentionally rude there. Imagine I’d said basically the same thing, but more politely.
Goonch
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I don’t understand Jin’s flashback/flash forward. How does that tie in with his wife’s flash forward where she is giving birth? He can’t be one of the O’6.
It doesn’t. His takes place in the year 2000. He’s running an errand for his mobster boss.
Sun’s takes place in the future.
My favorite part was the bit where Niki takes baby Micah to see Jin’s grave. That was touching.
According to Lostpedia, only 5 of the 6 are known.
The toy store guy said “this is the year of the Dragon”, so yeah, Jin’s storyline got instantly zapped back to 2000 at that point (next year of the Dragon is not until 2012). That’s when I knew they were setting us up for a fake out at the end. Still, I did not expect Jin to be “dead”.
On the other hand, what’s been said in the posts above makes perfect sense. To everyone else, Jin would be dead. To Hurley, Sun and the other “survivors”, Jin is quite possibly just (pardon the pun) lost. If he remained on the island, they would have had to play along with his being dead to kep their story straight. However, now that Sun’s had the baby, I cannot see how she would not be focusing every ounce of her time and resources on trying to get Jin off that island.
The captain’s reveal was pretty awesome. The submerged flight 815 was totally staged, including 300+ corpses. That does take some massive resources, and it would seem Widmore thinks Ben is behind the whole thing. The advanced case of “cabin fever” on board the ship makes me wonder just how long they’ve been out there, looking for the island. Also, is Michael the guy damaging the engines and other equipment to keep them there?
This show is gettign good again, just in time to go away again. Bah!
The captain’s reveal was super-killer, and it puts to doubt any theories about the people being alive on the island being in some parallel dimension while they ALSO crashed in the real world.
The wreckage is staged, not some alternate timeline 815 crash.
It really depends I suppose on what happens and how the stuff with the boat is revealed. It’s either Michael or Aaron as #6 though…
— Alan
Not if he goes by a different name, and that this point I’m using that they have been clearly identified in a flash forward as “one of the Oceanic 6”
Possible choices remaining:
Michael
Sawyer
Bernard
Rose
[edit] Claire, since we know she doesn’t have the baby, but there could be a reason she got off the Island but Kate has Aaron. It’s a stretch, tho.
The promos for this week’s (Sun and Jin) episode clearly stated “The final memeber of the Oceanic Six will be revealed” (Sun), so I think the producers counted Aaron as one of the six.
I don’t know if I buy it.
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[li]Aaron is being passed off as Kate’s son–curious as to who they are claiming is the father (Jack maybe)[/li][li]He’s not on the manifest, which may be irrelevant[/li][li]From what I remember of Jack’s perjury, the two other “survivors” didn’t last long so Claire wouldn’t have lived long enough to give birth.[/li][li]After last season’s “three important questions answered” BS on the promo, I don’t believe the promos.[/li][li]My guess is the two “survivors” bodies are people killed on what’s likely to be fake island to explain the bodies recovery.[/li][li]I’m going to bet that the #6 person is Bernard.[/li][*]I think Aaron as an Oceanic 6 er is a cop out, and to date, he hasn’t been mentioned as one of the 6. It may be semantics, but Sayid, Jack, Hurley and Sun have all had people identify them as “Oceanic 6” and there would have been a big deal made up of either a baby surviving the crash, or Kate giving birth to the baby on the island.[/ul]
Narrative manipulation. That’s definitely what they intended, and I’m guessing that they caught the majority of the audience by surprise.
And I don’t think there’d be any “courage of their convictions” to killing off Jin, especially if it takes two seasons to do it. There’s nothing particularly courageous or innovative about a “he dies and she’s sad the end,” especially in a show that has introduced a big time travel component. I think they’re completely entitled to do some kind of time travel-based reset button on down the line, to FINALLY give Sun & Jim a happy ending.
No. That would just be bad writing.
One of the things that I like about this show is that they don’t tend to do do-overs. Maybe it’s just me, but they feel pretty cheap.
I fully expect Jin to buy it on the beach when they’re getting rescued.
I fully expect that most of the cast is still alive on the island in the future, which is why Hurley, and eventually Jack, says they need to go back.
I also think people are reading too much into the time-travel aspect. I think it’s a plot device they’re using to pull off some fun stuff, but as Faraday said, “You can’t change the future.” The method of “time travel” they’ve shown thus far isn’t all that incredibly useful, and really has nothing to do with the island per se, and the show is about the island.
Goonch
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Oh…man…thanks…that explains everything.
I’ll bet dollars to donuts that Ben can freely travel through time and that Juliette is his constant.
Maybe. Maybe Ben’s been orchestrating the entire show, getting everyone’s lives lined up so that everyone he needs ends up on Oceanic flight 815, so that he can save the world from Widmore.
But then this show would be called “Next,” star Nic Cage, and kinda suck. ;)
I think there will be elements of the plot moved forward by time travel, but time travel doesn’t make the island special. The white rat became unstuck in time and never got near the island.
Well, the island has mental time-displacement as a naturally occurring phenomena. Surely that qualifies as “special”.
Right, but it doesn’t cause the unsticking itself. It’s a side effect, and an unpredictable one at that.
The actual unsticking of Desmond occured when he blew up a man-made research facility on the island.
Oh, food for thought which occured to me watching the ep last night:
There are actually THREE factions vying for the island. Ben’s group, Widemore’s group, and the Dharma/Hanso group.
Discuss.
