It also happened when he flew from the island on a slightly wrong trajectory, and it’s happened to other people (like poor Fischer Stevens) when they approached/left the island at the wrong trajectory as well. Whether or not the unstickiness is a man-made mishap, or something indigenous to the island, it’s localized around the island, so I think it counts as a “special property”.
I’m also not 100% convinced that Dez’ EMP-induced time trip was the same thing as the more recent time trip. In the EMP one, he had conversations with people who were trying to “correct” him, which makes me think it was more of a hallucination than actual mental time travel.
I don’t think it’s quite that easy. But it’s clearly how he manages to “out think” every one at every turn, and always be “exactly where he wants to be”.
bloo
3543
Perhaps. But that isn’t definitive. That two rabbits (“don’t let them touch!”) with the same number in the Orchid video suggest it is still possible that the wreckage is one of two.
How would Ben or his organization coordinate and fund creation of and placement of the wreckage in less than three month, perhaps as little as two? While he might have recovered the original flight recorder and then placed it with the wreckage, he’ll have had to fake the date on it as well, or it will point to someplace else.
How could Juliette be Ben’s constant? He didn’t meet her until she gets to the island.
I hate when I figure out who’s going to die early on. As soon as Jin picked a baby name and she didn’t I knew he was going to be left on the island or dead. If the dude says “If it’s a boy we should call him x” then he always dies and of course it’s a boy and he’s named x. Which is a weird name for a kid and all, but whatever.
Maybe Jin is still alive and Hurley was there to convince Sun to talk to her dad about some going back to the island funds. Hurley was kinda going crazy for a while but maybe now he’s figured out they really do need to go back and he’s looking for help. Or maybe he just hasn’t seen Charlie yet.
Daagar
3546
Ben didn’t meet Juliet that we know of. Daniel hadn’t met Desmond when he arrived on the island… even though he did in fact meet him in the past on the alternate timeline or whatever. Daniel didn’t suddenly “gain” all those memories of meeting Desmond in the past, did he? That’s why Juliet doesn’t know Ben - Ben met her in the past and she is now his constant, but in the modern timeline she doesn’t know him (as Daniel didn’t know Desmond). I’m even wondering if Juliet doesn’t just resemble Ben’s old girlfriend, but actually is.
On a different tangent, when Hurley went to visit Sun and the baby at the end, he asked “Are any others coming?”, and when Sun answered no he seemed to emphatically say “Good”. Was there anything to be read in to his relief/emphasis on saying that the way he did?
Yeah, I know how Lost “that we know of” logic works, I’m just not buying that one. At least, I’m not buying it as the reason Ben is so possessive of Juliette. It’s not like Daniel said “Your constant must exist in the past and the future and you have to marry her.” If all it was was the constant thing Ben would be fine with Juliette and Goodwin, because she’d still be around and he could still use her as his constant.
Munin
3548
Okay, so if that’s the case and I’m understanding it correctly - then why even include it, how is it relevant to everything else depicted in that episode? If Jin’s scenes only served the purpose of confusing the audience, then Christ, Lost has really fallen back into its old shithole again.
Because it serves as a nice reminder of the man Jin used to be.
I thought that was strange too.
Also, didn’t Jin’s headstone show his year of birth as 1980? If so, he’s much younger than I thought.
Actually it had a 70s date on the right (I don’t remember specifically what it was) along with 2004, and the 1980 was on the left. I don’t quite know what that means–maybe Sun’s birthdate if it’s a dual grave.
Yeah, I think the one on the right said 1974.
Edit: Lostpedia says I’m right: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Jins_grave.jpg, Alan is also right that it’s a dual grave and the 1980 date is Sun’s birthday.
Edit 2: The date of his death is the day the plane crashed, so I think there’s a pretty good chance he’s still alive on the island and was just reported dead with the rest of the passengers.
I’d say it’s 50/50 on him being dead on the island long after the crash (obviously) and just being reported dead with the rest of the passengers, because it’s pretty obvious from the other flash forwards that the account the survivors give is a complete fabrication.
Tyjenks
3554
Yep, I love it, too. I don’t care what tricks or gimmicks they use to set-up the twists, turns and shocking revelations. I am hooked and will, at this, point suspend almost all issues I may have with inconsistencies or cliches for the sake of continuing to enjoy one of the most creative and unpredictable shows ever on Television.
Yeah, I said it bitches - - - EV.AR!!!
I’m not sure I buy that if he’s not really dead that Hurley would have said “Let’s go see him.” followed by them going to a grave where Sun gave a long-ass speech to the marker.
I hear you. But he had also “never met her” when he “worked so hard to get you on this island” or whatever it was he said to her last episode.
Ben manipulated her to be there, and he manipulated her so that she’d stay by his side, and I don’t think it was because he loved her from afar.
It is possible Juliette is somehow Ben’s old female friend Annie and she was shipped off the island at some point and maybe adopted and/or forgot she used to be on the island. I have no basis for this other than speculation but it is odd to me that they spent so much time on the Ben/Annie thing and then she just disappeared and they never mentioned anything about her before/during/after the “purge”.
Shiroko
3559
I say the last one is Locke, will make for much more interesting stuff, and if he is part of them, it’s logical to keep him last for the surprise.
Ooooohhhh…
And maybe he’s back in the wheelchair!
