no? Penny’s his daughter but she seems to be not only estranged from him but actively working against him.
Hurley might just have been too cowardly to tell Walt his dad died.
Well, I don’t think it’s very clear what the relationship is between Widmore and his daughter, so it’s not impossible to believe she’d keep it hidden from him. More importantly though, there’s no reason to assume they did keep anything a secret from Widmore. He could be in on the whole hoax. He’d certainly be just as motivated as the O6 to keep the whole thing a secret from the public, and he doesn’t have any obvious reason to further harass the O6 themselves at this point if the whole island’s moved and nothing they could tell him would be of use.
Their return was very public, so if Widmore wanted the O6 for anything he’d have no trouble getting to them whether he was in on the initial lie or not.
The whole Michael character was pretty bad anyway. It’s not really Harrold’s fault, but the first season he was the guy who didn’t know how to be a dad. The second season he didn’t know how to say anything other than WAAAALT!
But, it really sounds like Harrold had way too much invested in the role. I know it’s common for viewers to associate actors with the characters, but is it that common for a bit part?
So who else thinks that Widmore previously moved the island?
Listen, if I’m being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show. Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn’t interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype
What the hell is he talking about? Notwithstanding that half the Lost characters have serious daddy issues, that’s like complaining that Charlie got killed off for being British. Not to mention that Sayid meets Nadia only to have her killed off, and Desmond and Penny don’t look like they’re going to have that happy a future in the next season or so. Surely the equivalent is Michael getting off the island in the first place…
Just watched last night. Great, great, great.
First thing I thought was that Locke can easily come back once he gets back (as someone upthread mentioned). The island does perform miracles after all.
So has anyone addressed why Claire was so dead set against her kid coming back to the island? The island wants them all back and I thought Jack/Claire’s dad was working with the island. And since Claire was with him initially, has she, in the future, learned something new and has separated from her Dad and therefore the wants and needs of the island? Or did she just go with her dad in some deal to get her boy off the island and keep him safe. The scene in the shack made it seem as if she was willing and happy to be with her Dad, but that scene was pretty brief.
The writers can pose one hundred questions that go unanswered as long as a learn a few things here and there. I don’t need tons of resolution or a flawless multi-layered story arc. They keep me guessing and wanting more at the end of each episode. That is about the highest praise I can give the show or any show for that matter.
I think Harold is bitter because they used his wheelchair for O’Quinn’s early episode scenes and never gave it back.
Jazar
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Maybe Harold would’ve been happier in drag?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbJH6UVVaKw (30 seconds in)
JD
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I’m going to miss all the interaction between John “Huh?” Locke and Ben “Duh.” Linus in the two seasons to come. The couple went out on a high note as the Orchid scene was really superb. Locke’s response to Ben stuffing the metal into the chamber - priceless. Guess they’ll meet each other again once Locke leaves the island, but that’s it.
I think there are three options for whom Sun will blame for Jin’s death. Jack - because he got everyone into the helicopter without waiting for Jin. Widmore - because he sent the guys to kill everyone but Ben on the island, and because it was his team to plant the C4. (In that case, her cooperation with him would be nothing but a con, ultimately.) Ben - maybe Locke/“Bentham” visited and told her about what happened in the Orchid and that Ben killed Keamy despite knowing the consequences. (EDIT: Seems not likely though since she was still pregnant during her “two people are responsible” piece, and Locke apparently didn’t leave the island until 2007 or 2008.)
-Julian
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Not much to add other than…WOW.
I am in the Jin is probably still alive- the 6 definitely believe him to be dead so Sun’s reactions are based on the fact that she believes him to be dead. I vote that he will show up later.
As for killing Penny, I forget the exact wording but didn’t Ben ask nasty mercenary guy if Widmore ordered him to kill his daughter? Then again that was still before Ben had that conversation with Widmore.
Yay Penny and Desmond!
The show keeps pushing secondary evidence of Jin being dead without having actually showed his death for certain. That screams to me, from TV/movie-familiarity, that he isn’t.
And it’s certainly possible that he is actually dead, but if that’s the case then he sure didn’t receive a very significant ‘final moments’ scene.
My guess for the “ghosts:” Claire, Jack’s dad and everyone else (including Locke, eventually) did indeed die, but the versions of them running around are still alive, having been somehow “time-displaced” due to contact with the island. This would be a non-supernatural explanation for any and all appearances of dead people coming back.
I loved Ben tossing all the metal in the chamber scene. Locke watching the video as we watch Ben madly going about doing the exact opposite was classic Lost. Ben is a scary freak but he is half the reason I watch the show.
I suppose ectoplasmic soul perpetuation could be a non-supernatural explanation if you threw in some physics terminology and a white lab coat.
Jazar
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And a bunny with a number on it.
Ben and Locke started acting like an old married couple in that last episode, and it was pretty hilarious.
But the Ship’s doctor,while obviously time displaced, still ended up dead.
I don’t get it - why is Claire necessarily dead? Christian shows up and leads her off into the night - one assumes that if he had led her to her grisly death she wouldn’t be hanging out around the 1800s log cabin with him. People who aren’t dead have appeared in visions before (Walt) and people who aren’t dead have been in the cabin before (Locke, Ben), so why wouldn’t Claire just be alive, but informed as to some other significant plan and keeping away from the rest of the group?
Loved the episode, if only for a single, one-word line:
“So?”
I heart Ben. Oh, and:
“Checkmate, Mr. Eko.”
Also, judging from Sun’s meeting with Widmore, she may believe that he isn’t dead either and that Widmore is the only one who knows where the island is, thus giving her a chance to find Jin. That would be significant motivation for Ben’s “If you want to go back, you all have to go back.” Sayid and Hurley will definitely go back, obviously so will Jack, so it’s just up to Kate and Sun now.
Okay, I’m wrong about Jin.
I’m willing to accept the “We didn’t see him die” argument.
Also, the “They’re not going to kill off two of them at once” argument also works.
Plus, Jin and Sun are all about split 'em up and get 'em back together.
