Russ
4101
I am theorizing that at the end of last season, we see the location of the island, as viewed by those outside the affected radius, moved to a time when the island itself no longer exists. If you can accept the whole time travel premise going on, you should certainly suspend your disbelief in an H-bomb obliterating an island or causing a seismic shock that might sink the island. I don’t think moving the island in space to another geographic location has been established. Doing so would introduce things that people on the island would certainly notice such as climate differences, the night sky looking different, etc.
Also, why introduce the H-bomb into the story if you aren’t going to use it?
Anyway, this is all wild conjecture. I’m not married to the idea. Just putting it out there.
I think it’s strongly suggested, however, by the computer screen in the old lady’s room in LA, however, and the fact that we see the Drug Smuggling Plane crash into the island at some point after takeoff. If The Island weren’t hopscotching all over the globe, there’s no way they could ever have gotten there, outside of some sort of weird teleportation effect bringing the plane to them, which I would think is suggested less strongly than The Island itself moving. Climate differences could be attributed to The Island staying at the same general latitude.
As for the bomb, I imagine that it could be tied to either The Accident (the thing that screwed up the Cerberus System indicated on the blast door map) or a future event in the series.
Russ
4103
Somewhat spoilerish but the cast members listed at the bottom of the list for the next episode shown here are highly suggestive of what we’ll see next week. Don’t click if you don’t wanna know.
Plus, the tall ship on the mountain.
I’m sure the H-bomb will play a part in the series again, but I don’t think it is something that is super pivotal to everything. As has already been said, H-Bombs do a lot of damage, but they don’t make islands disappear.
Since we’re throwing out long term predictions for the end of the series, I’m going to guess we’ll see an end scene that is very much inspired by the end of the Dark Tower series (King and the Lost writers being a mutual fan club props this idea up some, plus there have been a couple of things in the series already that were Dark Tower homages).
It’ll be Desmond in the place of Roland, stepping from the present into the past to complete a time loop from the “present” to his true beginning in the Island’s affairs, whenever that is. I think unlike Roland he’ll go in knowing what he’s getting into, though, maybe because Penny and baby Charlie die and he knows keeping the loop going is the only way he’ll see them again.
Even if it did end this way, this ending alone doesn’t explain the nature of the island, Richard, Jacob, why Walt is special, etc, and hopefully they do that as well, but having Desmond on a loop like this would help explain why he is ‘different’ and also why he was having memories of Charlie dying (I think the whole planted memory via Farady last episode was the beginning of answering that part of the ‘island secrets’).
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The Jin thing was pretty much already blown by the fact that Daniel Dae Kim is listed in the main cast credits for this season… noticed it when I watched last night’s episode. The “Young Frenchwoman” (Rousseau) is interesting, but not unexpected given the time jumping. I actually thought the lady with the gun who is probably Daniel’s mother was going to be Rousseau before they panned up and gave a good look at her face. I’m interested in what Claire’s mom is going to be doing in the show, presumably she’s the one going after Kate about Aaron, but how could she possibly know? Maybe she’ll turn out to be another one of the Others somehow as well, but the lady playing her is the one who played her before so she must show up at least partially in the “present” and the previews did show some more of Kate dealing with lawyers.
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Ephraim
4107
OK, someone please check me:
Locke hands Richard the compass and tells him that Jacob sent him. He’s their leader. He’s from the future. He then tells Richard to look him up, and provides him with his birth date and hometown. I have a memory of Richard eventually showing up and administering some kind of test to the young John Locke, trying to find out if he’s “special” in some way. Locke chooses a knife, or something disappointing to Richard. Was the compass amongst the items Richard tested Locke with? Was he expecting Young Locke to pick the compass as some sort of sign?
Anyone else wondering if Desmond and Penny heading to LA is going to cause chaos and death? Ben is there, and he’s vowed to kill Penny. I think her end is near.
Certainly. What I can’t accept is that an H-bomb would destroy the island by making it disappear instead of blowing it up.
I don’t think moving the island in space to another geographic location has been established. Doing so would introduce things that people on the island would certainly notice such as climate differences, the night sky looking different, etc.
Time and space are the same thing. Just because it’s moved location doesn’t mean it’s in an entirely different climate. The ocean is big.
Also, why introduce the H-bomb into the story if you aren’t going to use it?
Sure, but that doesn’t mean that they’ve already used it. I’m sure the bomb will figure into something later.
I dunno - I think Ben needs Desmond to come back to The Island with him to do whatever it is that he’s trying to do. It might be dramatically interesting for Ben to kill the guy’s wife, but it might be so far against his own interests that it would be had to follow through.
It’s an interesting tension you’ve pointed out there, though.
Yes, Richard says they pick their leaders from a young age, so after hearing from old Locke that he’s their leader, he goes to find young Locke to test him. If he really were their leader, his thinking goes, he would pick the compass.
Ephraim
4112
So the picking of the Others’ leader is a “Dalai Lama” type of thing, where there is a reborn soul or something? Young Locke would obviously have never seen the compass yet, so there’s no reason to expect him to recognize it at that point. I wish I could remember that scene better. He wanted to pick the compass, but then changed his mind, right?
So why is Locke the anointed Leader? Jacob’s say-so? What about their long-standing method? It goes out the window at times of crisis?
Also, Richard saw Juliet in the past. He also meets her in the future, again, if memory serves. He helped to recruit her. Is there any indication then that he knows and/or recognizes her? I’d be seriously impressed if the writers had planted a clue back then that he knew her. All this time travel stuff makes me want to re-watch the series to see if they’d hinted at any of this all along.
My theory is that the A-bomb is the reason for the existence of the hatch where Desmond was typing in the numbers. Faraday is talking about burying it, perhaps they eventually have to build a magnetic containment device to keep it stable. When Desmond turns the fail safe key, the “time travel” visual effect happens, not an explosion. So the bomb (and the hatch and dirt that previously filled the crater) would then be moving in time somewhere.
The most obvious thing I can remember off the bat was Desmond running into Jack off island (at the arena place where Jack was running). It is entirely possible that they just stuck that in there to be a weird coincidence thing and they weren’t sure what they were going to do with it at the time, but I’m pretty sure they’ll find a way to tie it into this new time jumping framework somehow even if it wasn’t always planned, with the Desmond there being Desmond from the future, having to bump Jack into the right direction to make sure he eventually gets on 815 so he can “see him in another life”.
I have a feeling the whispers will be part of it as well - perhaps they are echoes of people who are in the same physical space but at different times, or something.
I was thinking, how long has it been since Des said, ‘see you in another life, brother?’
Loved this latest episode
Yeah, the whispers and also the “seeing dead people” (Jack’s dad, etc) could reasonably be handwaved away as the results of getting glimpses of other bits of the space/time multiverse.
The whole thing with Faraday planting a memory in Desmond is probably the answer to how Desmond was seeing Charlie dying over and over (Desmond keeps looping through some segment of time between his introduction to the island and some point after he gets off the island with Penny and each time through the loop Charlie dies in a different way, but around the same time (because he is meant to die for the universe to keep ‘course correcting’ as Faraday’s probable mother told him it does) and Desmond is getting echos of the memories of previous loops similar to the memory implantish thing he got from Faraday, allowing him to save Charlie a bunch of times when the same type of death would reoccur, though eventually it always turns out futile. Desmond being a time looper for some reason would probably have something to do with why he is supposedly ‘different’ and has kind of been hinted at in the past when they first brought Desmond to the forefront (IIRC there was a prominent skipping record scene at or around Desmond’s introduction).
CCZ, your post just blew my mind.
Russ
4120
I wouldn’t accept that either but that’s not what I was trying to say. Blame my poor phrasing, I guess. Somebody call an editor.
