I disagree with that. Lets say Richard has told the Others, particularly Ben, that he met a John Locke from the future, and that he would eventually be the leader of the Others. That doesn’t mean that Ben has to accept that fate. Especially after he meets and gets to know John Locke. It’s sort of the same principle as what Sawyer asked Locke last night: Don’t you want to reassure yourself from the past, and spare him the hurt by telling him everything will be okay? And Locke’s answer was no, because that pain got me to where I am today. Essentially I’m saying that Ben’s best position with regards to Locke might be to do what he would have naturally done if he didn’t have foreknowledge of the future: and that is to resist the leadership of Locke, especially if he didn’t think Locke was ready, or the right person. If Richard was right, and Locke really was destined to become the leader, then it will happen anyway, but that doesn’t mean Ben shouldn’t resist it every step of the way.
More importantly, everything that we’ve seen about Ben so far suggests that he’s in this for himself, his own goals, and he generally thinks that he’s more important than anything, even if superficially he’s looking out for “his people.” He’s looking out for his people not because he thinks they deserve looking out for, but because they’re his. As such, even if he knows that Locke is supposed to be the leader, it follows that he would kick and scream and resist that fact as hard as he could because it’s not in his interest.
bloo
4163
Ben will have evidence that Jin was on the island in the past, which he could only have gotten to by surviving the ship to travel through time.
There’s probably a statue built by the Others which depicts Jin. It’ll be detailed in an episode entitled “The Man they Call Jin.”
Can’t believe nobody has brought up the out-of-nowhere new group of people on the island! Since the camp was there (and ransacked) I’m guessing that little scene with the outrigger and the hostile plane people took place in the future.
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Jin may not have needed to “travel” with Sawyer and the gang to get where he is now. We know the frieghter was outside of the islands zone of control because it was gone after the first flash. However, if we assume that the island moves through “space” as well as “time”, then the possibility is high that when they flashed to the near past (when Sawyer saw Kate and Claire), that the island was physically located exactly where it had been previously. If, after the ship blew up, Jin drifted into the zone of control of the island, then when it reappeared in his physical space during that flash he would have been sucked along with it on any further flashes.
This would makes sense, as Ben wanted the island to “move” when he turned the wheel. Perhaps he knows that instigating the flashes will physically move the island depending on which time period it flashes to, and thus he protected the island for the short term by starting the process. Only he also knows it’s not good to let the island continue in this state, hence his urgency to get the Oceanic 6 back to the point where they can hitch a ride with the island again, much like Jin unknowingly did.
prolix
4167
Don’t even get me started on the “anonymous subpoena.”
Or, gee, maybe Jin was blasted just inside the radius by the explosion.
Why are some people in this thread being so pedantic?
Locke didn’t mention Jin to Sawyer because Future Richard didn’t say he’d have to get Jin back to the Island.
It isn’t unreasonable that Jin could have been out on the water for up to a couple of days based on how parched he was. While he was unconscious when they found him, I don’t think we’re supposed to believe he was unconscious from the explosion until he was found.
A couple of things…
– It was stated that anything they are in physical contact with at the time of a jump will jump with them. They’ve been carrying the rifles they obtained last episode. It doesn’t explain why they would expect the zodiac to be waiting for them on the beach though, unless once an object is in their time stream it stays there.
– Bear in mind that Jin was not necessarily floating through all of those time jumps. Sawyer and company discover the Frenchmen’s abandonned raft on the beach at night. We then flash back to the frenchmen discovering Jin during the day before they ever landed on the Island so this was presumably during an earlier jump. That having been said, if Jin’s making all of the same jumps that Sawyer and company are, has there been a daytime jump to an indeterminate period that could be the year the frenchmen landed on the Island? Maybe the first jump which pre-dated the crash?
– Should Rousseau have recognized Jin when she first met him in season 1? Or would this be like Desmond’s new memory of meeting Daniel? Knowledge inserted after the fact.
– My biggest current nit-pick is why Sun blames Ben for Jin’s death rather than Widmore. Widmore hired the mercenaries that rigged the boat and she would have learned this from Desmond. So why work with Whidmore to killed Ben? She would not have anyway of knowing that Ben killed the mercenary with the failsafe.
Erich
4171
Maybe Locke told Sun what happened.
bloo
4172
And he has only 4 toes, one lost in the explosion.
Now I wonder if the stone carvings on the door in Ben’s secret rooms was carved by skipping Others trying to communicate.
I don’t exactly disagree. And anything at this point can easily be explained away as, ‘we needed to do it that way because that’s how we’d done it when it had happened’.
And I don’t think I could articulate it very well, but it stands out to me as contradictory to this point. That’s just a natural result of coming up with the story as they go along. Now that they’ve got a clear direction, that’s cleaned up a bit and it really shows.
Kind of a snoozer this week. I wonder what made that one Frenchy try to kill the French woman. Way back she did say that her crew got sick and turned on each other. Have we seen anything else like that?
bloo
4175
Maybe the stewardess who converted to the Others fairly quickly after being taken by them?
We did get some confirmation on some things.
- Eloise Hawking is Faraday’s mom.
- Charlotte is from the island. And if the signs of mental trouble with time-skipping are related to exposure to the island for the skippers, Miles must have spent some time on the island previously.
- We finally see the Temple
But also questions:
- Christian is a ghost? I got the feeling he was non-corporeal, which is why he couldn’t help Locke, and the lantern was an illusion
- Where did Charlotte learn Korean?
- As you said, what’s up with the french pod-people?
- Are the Egyptian Hieroglyphs on the temple contemporaneous?
What? This was undoubtedly the best episode this season, and probably last season too. So good.
I guess that is why Faraday was crying when he saw the plane wreckage, although when asked about it, he said he didn’t know: he knew it would lead to his meeting Charlotte, falling in with her and then losing her.
Popular theory at work is that Miles is Dr. Pierre Chang/Marvin Candle/Orientation Video Guy’s baby from the beginning of the season premiere.
“No, what year?” is the best time travel cliche ever.
